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Title: The Other American Tanks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 25, 2013, 06:13:50 AM
Hi folks,

We all know of the M2, M3 and M4 but what about some of the lesser known tanks the US developed and even produced (albeit in small numbers).  For instance, the M6:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Heavy-tank-OWI-4.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Heavy-tank-OWI-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: jcf on April 25, 2013, 06:29:30 AM
A good start page:
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/UnitedStates/TheUnitedStates.html (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/UnitedStates/TheUnitedStates.html)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: arkon on April 25, 2013, 07:12:08 AM
i always liked the little mini m4= the m22 locust
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Dr. YoKai on April 25, 2013, 09:44:22 PM
 I like the Locust, also the odd ( and awful ) Marmon-Herrington light tanks*, which I gather saw
 some service in the Aleutians. And I keep thinking that some variation of the 'Skeleton tank'
 might be a fun build, as would the first US Heavy tank design, ( 2 X 75mm, 1 X 37 mm, and 1 X 20mm,
 beaucoup machine guns ) for which, as far as I can tell, no drawings exist.

 * Steve Zaloga did an excellent scratch build of one - I'll see if I can dig it up.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Gingie on April 25, 2013, 11:02:58 PM
I like some of the scout / light prototype tanks that came out of the 60's-70's. Stingray type things. One looks like a mini-Sheridan with a LAV-25 turret. Have to dig in to my Hunnicut to find more examples.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Cliffy B on April 26, 2013, 08:43:53 AM
I still love the T29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T29_Heavy_Tank) mainly because of its stereoscopic rangefinder in the turret.  It looks like a naval turret!  8)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: finsrin on April 26, 2013, 09:18:27 AM
M6 and T-29 new to me.  Have not hung out with hard core armor crowd.
Some different tanks - thanks for posting.
Question: did either fire even one round in combat ?
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Cliffy B on April 26, 2013, 09:53:15 AM
Not to my knowledge Fin.  The M6 was an experimental design not meant for mass production (I think) and the T29 missed the war and became an experimental tank afterwards for new stuff meant for postwar tanks.  Would have been interesting to see how it handled the German heavies as it was meant to do.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: dy031101 on April 26, 2013, 10:40:56 AM
(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/M6-Heavy_Super.jpg)

My only regret with the World of Tanks is that I can't put the long 90mm gun on the M6 Heavy like the above illustration.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 26, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
I think I've posted it before, but here was my US medium tank based on the M6 Heavy Tank.  Basically, it'd have been a bigger, heavier, tougher, and better armed medium tank than the Sherman, but considerably smaller and more practical than the M6 ever was.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_1.png:original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/loganov/media/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_1.png.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_2.png:original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/loganov/media/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_2.png.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_3.png:original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/loganov/media/Profiles/M5JacksonProfiles_Page_3.png.html)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Gingie on April 26, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
This is the one I really want to build in 35th, or something like it. Not sure what it is or where I found the photo (lol, probably here on BTS!)
I really like the look of these scout / recce tankettes:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8683725486_5238ef1e6e.jpg)

PS - if anyone has a link to a walk-around of this, I'd be greatful for it.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 26, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Gingie on April 26, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
PS - if anyone has a link to a walk-around of this, I'd be greatful for it.
Some more images and links at this page on the JedSite: XM800W ASRV (http://www.jedsite.info/misc/alpha/arsv_series/arsv-series.html)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Gingie on April 26, 2013, 11:22:32 PM
Perfect. Now that I've got a name I'm good to go.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 26, 2013, 11:29:43 PM
Technically, that one's the XM800T.  Google that and you'll get some great images.  FMC built it so it's probably safe to say there's an M113 part or two in there.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Dr. YoKai on April 27, 2013, 01:25:45 AM
Nice profiles, Hartke.

 Here's the Zaloga build of the T-16.

 http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/worst-us-tank-of-wwii/3434/ (http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/worst-us-tank-of-wwii/3434/)

 and here's a short overview of their odd and largely forgotten vehicles.

http://www.overvalwagen.com/tanks.html (http://www.overvalwagen.com/tanks.html)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 27, 2013, 01:35:44 AM
Quote from: Dr. YoKai on April 27, 2013, 01:25:45 AM
Nice profiles, Hartke.

Thanks!  I liked the way they came out as a nifty little hybrid.  In many ways, I think they'd be almost a match for a Panther or at least a KV-1S.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 27, 2013, 04:00:59 AM
Commander Models produce kits of many of these lesser known tanks (along with other rarities):  http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/armor.html (http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/armor.html)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 27, 2013, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: Gingie on April 26, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
This is the one I really want to build in 35th, or something like it. Not sure what it is or where I found the photo (lol, probably here on BTS!)
I really like the look of these scout / recce tankettes:

([url]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8683725486_5238ef1e6e.jpg[/url])


I love XM800T too mmmmmm... :-*
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: AGRA on April 27, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on April 27, 2013, 08:43:18 AM
I love XM800T too mmmmmm... :-*

What if it had entered service? M800A1 with TOW launcher added to turret. M800A2 with applique armour to resist Soviet 30mm AP. M800A3 fire support version with 105mm turret.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 27, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
Well have your say...http://apps.kalmbach.com/survey/default.aspx?sid=2022&auth=hLidcca7dH (http://apps.kalmbach.com/survey/default.aspx?sid=2022&auth=hLidcca7dH)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Story on August 10, 2017, 01:23:16 AM
How about the Ford 3 ton M1918?
https://www.shapeways.com/product/NZXVWMA6Q/pv16e-m1918-ford-3-ton-tank-1-35?optionId=62676074 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/NZXVWMA6Q/pv16e-m1918-ford-3-ton-tank-1-35?optionId=62676074)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_3-Ton_M1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_3-Ton_M1918)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Story on February 06, 2022, 07:52:27 AM
The last Marmon-Herrington CLT-3 light tank, a Hollywood veteran now allegedly being restored.

(https://preview.redd.it/wol4nbovalt71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e76500c5b337a50b305ea4d7a1c77bc3c18bf30a)
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272759404_10159260271124845_5336160294684356835_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=qD-9d5iQQEsAX_QGWJg&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8FMkDhkplegkaUJ_eY37czvWBjkiBguStL3AvcoJE4YQ&oe=62033026)
(https://i.redd.it/4i3phbn2pdt71.jpg)
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/273207263_10159260271139845_507202544163223653_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=zbpkSPjjU9IAX9oHC5_&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AT81LuvsldUgVcY0d-RVRMgYKFULNu_jhN7HriNiYG1RmQ&oe=62048D57)
https://preview.redd.it/augg82kj6pd81.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d77daf2f1ad1cf632683c2c1521bd2da376aca82 (https://preview.redd.it/augg82kj6pd81.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d77daf2f1ad1cf632683c2c1521bd2da376aca82)

I suspect this undated photo may be of the exact same tank - note the slatted grill work on the side of the hull gunner's station matches those above.

(https://preview.redd.it/augg82kj6pd81.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d77daf2f1ad1cf632683c2c1521bd2da376aca82)

and here as a naaaaaaaaaaazi tank https://www.imcdb.org/i287237.jpg (https://www.imcdb.org/i287237.jpg)

Backstory details - it's only original from the fenders down. https://www.mapleleafup.nl/marmonherrington/ctl-3.html (https://www.mapleleafup.nl/marmonherrington/ctl-3.html)

Marines playing with two of their five CLT-3s
(https://img1.daumcdn.net/thumb/R1280x0/?scode=mtistory2&fname=https://blog.kakaocdn.net/dn/dgHsVt/btqKqyk6dyO/SA44jIAXfclRKKvktSyki1/img.png)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Dr. YoKai on February 07, 2022, 01:10:27 AM
 When I saw the initial picture, I had a feeling it might have appeared in an episode of The Wild, Wild West. I was wrong, but I wasn't far wrong - it was actually an episode of Briscoe County Jr.  Available on TUBI: https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/644158/s01-e03-no-man-s-land?start=true
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Story on February 07, 2022, 01:30:37 AM
Yeah, I didn't think to include that tidbit. Glad you enjoyed it.

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Marmon-Herrington_model-CTL.html (https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Marmon-Herrington_model-CTL.html)

Appears that it's screen debut was in the 1943 FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS.
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Story on February 07, 2022, 01:44:00 AM
Another obscure American tank - the M7 - and a part of history that falls between the pages of the books.

Officially only 7 M7 tanks were built during the whole production phase. However, 6 other tanks were upgraded from some of the previous prototype models. These models were T7E2s, their transmissions and power plants were upgraded, and their component castings improved to bring them up to M7 standard. The 6 modified T7E2s were compiled with the other 7 M7 tanks, which brought total production to 13 vehicles. What can't be explained, however, is the image below from the Wisconsin Historical Society:
(https://preview.redd.it/5slyswb654g81.jpg?auto=webp&s=a64fb134650a842ae011684f61e1fe14a3422e77)
This image shows at least 40 M7s in various states of completion, with hulls and empty turrets scattered around. Currently, there is no official literature available, to us at least, to coincide with this photo.
https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m7-medium.php (https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m7-medium.php)
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Kerick on February 07, 2022, 03:18:09 AM
Kept the 13 and scrapped the rest?
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: Story on February 07, 2022, 06:27:05 AM
Quote from: Kerick on February 07, 2022, 03:18:09 AM
Kept the 13 and scrapped the rest?

That'd be the Most Likely answer, but you'd think 30+ perfectly useable 'agricultural tractors' would be useful to the nation's farmers - unless the entire experience was so embarrassing for all involved that everything was cannibalized/repurposed/melted down again.

But where's the fun in that? What if they packed this junk off to one of the Allies, and the combat history(ies) was equally embarrasing (and subsequently forgotten)?

I mean... that's kinda why we're here, ya?
Title: Re: The Other American Tanks
Post by: jcf on February 11, 2022, 06:00:49 AM
Quote from: Story on February 07, 2022, 01:44:00 AM
Another obscure American tank - the M7 - and a part of history that falls between the pages of the books.

Officially only 7 M7 tanks were built during the whole production phase. However, 6 other tanks were upgraded from some of the previous prototype models. These models were T7E2s, their transmissions and power plants were upgraded, and their component castings improved to bring them up to M7 standard. The 6 modified T7E2s were compiled with the other 7 M7 tanks, which brought total production to 13 vehicles. What can't be explained, however, is the image below from the Wisconsin Historical Society:
(https://preview.redd.it/5slyswb654g81.jpg?auto=webp&s=a64fb134650a842ae011684f61e1fe14a3422e77)
This image shows at least 40 M7s in various states of completion, with hulls and empty turrets scattered around. Currently, there is no official literature available, to us at least, to coincide with this photo.
https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m7-medium.php (https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/m7-medium.php)

It's easily explained, only 13 actually rolled off the line. The rest weren't completed and thus don't
count as produced. That happened regularly with ground vehicles, aircraft, boats and ships.