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Allies 46 Inspiration
« on: January 30, 2018, 01:09:43 AM »
Lets see the weird and the wonderful from the winning side!  :smiley:



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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 01:23:40 AM »
The immediate thought that comes to mind is everything happens as in reality except either the west attacks the east or vice versa, either directly or through client states.  End result, no axis powers or axis uber weapons, but rather the next generation of allied gear, maybe with a little German technology thrown in (unlikely due to development times)

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 01:29:39 AM »
Makes one wonder if the Gloster E1/44 Ace would have gone into production, or a development of it, the Gloster CXP 1001

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 02:33:40 AM »


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 02:37:31 AM »
Focus upon what they are chasing:


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 02:57:16 AM »
Hawker P.1030
Supermarine Type 391

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 03:02:50 AM »
Production B-39's over Germany?  Meteors, or other jet fighters, with the Metrovick axial-flow turbojets?  As experience builds, perhaps the proposed P-80D or P-80E design(s) go into production?
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2018, 04:09:12 AM »
Malta Class carriers, Spearfish, Firecrest, Sturgeon bombers, Seamosquito, Sea Vampire

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 04:44:51 AM »
8th and 15th AF were already tagged for conversion to B-32 Terminator/Dominator but the war ended meanwhile.

B-45 Tornado was slated to replace the B-25 and B-26, but with the end of the war, the project was put on backburner. Possibly Douglas B-42 Mixmaster or B-43 Jetmaster would have to have been adopted while the Tornado's teething problems were sorted out. Also, it's wartime, so competing offerings are all ordered instead of just one winner.

Would there have been a licenced Nene-powered (J42) F9F Panther rushed to production? In OTL, licenced Tay (J48) was used instead and development took longer.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 06:42:05 AM »



The Marquardts, maybe, the craptastic pulse-jets?, no.
When Messerschmitt tested the pulse-jet powered Me 328 they found that the
engine operating cycle had very detrimental effects on both pilot and airframe.
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 07:10:22 AM »

B-45 Tornado was slated to replace the B-25 and B-26, but with the end of the war, the project was put on backburner. Possibly Douglas B-42 Mixmaster or B-43 Jetmaster would have to have been adopted while the Tornado's teething problems were sorted out. Also, it's wartime, so competing offerings are all ordered instead of just one winner.


These are exactly the ideas I've been mentally juggling.  I'm particularly excited by the idea of a B-42 or B-43 in Brazilian markings (lend-lease to them after the B-45 comes on line)!  Methinks Valom might be getting an uptick in business this week!
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 08:02:47 AM »

B-45 Tornado was slated to replace the B-25 and B-26, but with the end of the war, the project was put on backburner. Possibly Douglas B-42 Mixmaster or B-43 Jetmaster would have to have been adopted while the Tornado's teething problems were sorted out. Also, it's wartime, so competing offerings are all ordered instead of just one winner.


These are exactly the ideas I've been mentally juggling.  I'm particularly excited by the idea of a B-42 or B-43 in Brazilian markings (lend-lease to them after the B-45 comes on line)!  Methinks Valom might be getting an uptick in business this week!
B-42 or B-43. :smiley:  Never thought of it.  You are onto something.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 08:46:12 AM »
A couple of mine from a few years ago when our local club had a similar themed contest

P-80 USAAF color and marking. Airfix 1/72



B-49 operational scheme




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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 09:09:40 AM »
I'm in need of ideas.

Here's what I'm thinking:
PTO, USMC, prefer land or amphib.

I'm not looking to add to the stash, I currently have:

M4A2 Sherman
M51 Super Sherman
LVT-(A)1
M3 75mm GMC
M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer
M2A1 105mm Howitzer

If I go with aircraft I have:
F4U Corsair
F6F-5 Hellcat


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 09:24:52 AM »
LVT-(A)1 with the M1A1 on deck or in an enlarged turret, and with spaced armor  (like "bed springs" - could just be fence material) to fend off early RPGs like the panzerfaust or the Japanese equivalent.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 09:29:26 AM »
Sharing this:
Without planning it to be Allies '46.  Just completed C-47H.  Painted in WW2 olive drab, it qualifies.
Point that unintentionally made to myself.  A transport plane can be Allies '46.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2018, 05:18:40 PM »
M51 Super Sherman
This sounds like a reasonable answer to the increasing number of of E-100's, Maus's, Rattes and Monsters being encountered  ;D (Yes, I know, the 105 mm gun itself was a 1960's development...)

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 09:42:09 PM »












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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2018, 08:39:15 PM »
BOAC did use Mosquitos. And other aircraft.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 04:07:28 AM »
Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but there's no way in hell either the B-35 or the B-36 could be
in service in the proposed period.
Particularly the B-35, with its absolutely fracked up prop transmission system. Not even
Hand-Wavium will fix that POS.
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 07:06:29 AM »
Unfortunately, the reality of the modelling is that the B-35 is available in 1/72 and the B-36 in 1/144, 1/72, and 1/48 as injection-moulded plastic kits, whereas the B-32 which would have been in service in large numbers to supplement the B-29 had the war gone on to 1946 (well, 1800 B-32 orders were cancelled at the end of the war vs. 5000 B-29 orders...) only exists as a resin model in 1/144 and 1/72 (barring some obscure vacuforms).

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 09:48:41 AM »
Unfortunately, the reality of the modelling is that the B-35 is available in 1/72 and the B-36 in 1/144, 1/72, and 1/48 as injection-moulded plastic kits, whereas the B-32 which would have been in service in large numbers to supplement the B-29 had the war gone on to 1946 (well, 1800 B-32 orders were cancelled at the end of the war vs. 5000 B-29 orders...) only exists as a resin model in 1/144 and 1/72 (barring some obscure vacuforms).

I've got a 1/72 B-32 in multi-media made by Aviation Usk/Xotic Models
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 11:53:35 AM »
I wonder, with the demands for R3350s for the B-29s if the war had continued, might production B-32s have been fitted with W4320s similarly to how an early B-29 became the XB-39?  That could keep Allison in engine production even as other demands for their engines (P-40, P-39/P-63) dwindled.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 02:01:05 PM »
What if MiG-15 without german contribution (swept wings)


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 03:38:40 PM »
Unfortunately, the reality of the modelling is that the B-35 is available in 1/72 and the B-36 in 1/144, 1/72, and 1/48 as injection-moulded plastic kits, whereas the B-32 which would have been in service in large numbers to supplement the B-29 had the war gone on to 1946 (well, 1800 B-32 orders were cancelled at the end of the war vs. 5000 B-29 orders...) only exists as a resin model in 1/144 and 1/72 (barring some obscure vacuforms).

I've got a 1/72 B-32 in multi-media made by Aviation Usk/Xotic Models

Is Anigrand B-32 kit.  Don't have one.  At least its out there !
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 06:45:41 PM »
I wonder, with the demands for R3350s for the B-29s if the war had continued, might production B-32s have been fitted with W4320s similarly to how an early B-29 became the XB-39?  That could keep Allison in engine production even as other demands for their engines (P-40, P-39/P-63) dwindled.

Now there's an idea   :smiley:

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 07:23:24 PM »
This black and white MB.5 photo:



after colourization:



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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 10:57:11 PM »
Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but there's no way in hell either the B-35 or the B-36 could be
in service in the proposed period.
Particularly the B-35, with its absolutely fracked up prop transmission system. Not even
Hand-Wavium will fix that POS.
 :-X :icon_zombie:

Not looking to pick a fight, but just to play incumbent's advocate for a second, 1946 is the start of the period - we could assume
some varient on Wells's 'Endless war' from Things to Come for instance.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2018, 01:15:03 AM »
Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but there's no way in hell either the B-35 or the B-36 could be
in service in the proposed period.
Particularly the B-35, with its absolutely fracked up prop transmission system. Not even
Hand-Wavium will fix that POS.
 :-X :icon_zombie:

Just to kind of build on this, It doesn't have to be "1946" only. In my mind thats just shorthand. As far as I'm concerned up to the late 50's (for example) is acceptable.

Hand-waivium is part of the program  ;)

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 02:37:19 AM »

Just to kind of build on this, It doesn't have to be "1946" only. In my mind thats just shorthand. As far as I'm concerned up to the late 50's (for example) is acceptable.

Hand-waivium is part of the program  ;)

After all, does anyone really believe all those "Luft '46" doodling would have made it into service in 1946? ;)  Let's focus on the fun guys and gals.
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2018, 03:55:28 AM »
Feature of the B-35 and B-49 is 1/72 kits are not plagued with any issues that were in 1/1 builds.  ;)
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2018, 07:08:57 AM »
Given the available kits, it would be expensive, but I could see operational CA-15s as part of this scenario.  Wonder if they would switch to a five-bladed prop or a contra-prop set up to take full advantage of the Griffon's power?  My own take would be the five-bladed prop as it make for a more robust gear case.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 08:43:52 PM »
Just realized recent Saucer Jet fits Allies '46.  One kind of direction to go for a build.

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7514.0
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2018, 02:28:35 AM »



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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2018, 02:35:37 AM »
Says '45 but close enough and still hopefully inspirational:





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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2018, 02:36:58 AM »
Another slightly off on the date though still hopefully inspirational:



BTW, this is actually based upon real world plans:

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2018, 02:38:17 AM »
Something a little different...though possibly inspiring in more than one way:

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2018, 02:43:57 AM »
Mustn't forget Supermarine's Jetfire (or Spitfire F.Mk 25)

https://hushkit.net/2012/06/27/the-ultimate-what-if-the-supermarine-jetfire/


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2018, 05:43:34 AM »
What if MiG-15 without german contribution (swept wings)




This looks like a logical development from the Mig-9. So I guess it fall into the sequence as a Mig 11 or Mig 13.

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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 02:05:20 PM »
Alligator with Bofors similar to that used by the French in Indochina.
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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2018, 05:20:31 PM »
^^^^ Like the concept!

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2018, 05:48:15 PM »



Gotta love those Canada B-36s. :-*
Ideal cool scheme on cool aircraft.  8)
Such a large aircraft to have kept their service so hush-hush.  Another research challenge to piece together service history.
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2018, 12:51:28 AM »
Once I get my MB6 project completed, it will go nicely with this I built some years ago, a Hawker Tempest Mk.VII (P.1027)

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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2018, 02:04:58 AM »
Very beautiful Tempest, thanks! :-*

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2018, 02:37:41 AM »
Oceania has always been at odds with Eastasia and Eurasia... Something to also consider is the world at war as described in Orwell's 1984 (published June,1949). 
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2018, 04:45:33 AM »


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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2018, 01:39:29 AM »
Well, that's different...
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2018, 10:43:16 AM »
It’s a good graphic novel. The ending is pretty brutal, though.

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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2018, 12:47:51 PM »
It’s a good graphic novel. The ending is pretty brutal, though.
Quite!!  I agree, though, a very good graphic novel.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2018, 02:47:11 AM »
During the war, the RAAf flew BMF B-24s.  What about a RAAF B-32 in similar scheme?
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 04:00:48 AM »
During the war, the RAAf flew BMF B-24s.  What about a RAAF B-32 in similar scheme?
Perhaps powered by W3420s with R3350s reserved for B-29s?

A couple other thoughts, war in Pacific extended due to delayed development of atomic bomb (perhaps they choose and stuck with the least efficient refining process, the opposite of Benford's The Berlin Project where the most efficient process was chosen from the beginning and the first bomb was dropped on Berlin as Operation Overlord hit the beaches).  This could see the Alaska-class battlecruisers (Alaska, Hawaiii, and Guam) serving in the Pacific; we might also see the completion of the final Iowa-class ships, Kentucky and Illionis, for that service as well as the completion of more Midway-class carriers (several were cancelled after VJ-day).

On the Japanese side, one might see J7W2 and R2Y2 jet aircraft and, if some accounts are to be believed, Japanese nuclear weapons (might see the G10N1 built to deliver same or some interesting cruise missiles to be launched from I400-class submarines).
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 04:07:23 AM »
Thinking of doing a P-47 zwilling.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2018, 11:13:39 PM »
One that comes to mind is a Sherman CY, i.e. a British Firefly conversion with HVSS.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2018, 12:28:08 AM »






The B-29 Family has always looked great to me  :-* Its very "retro future". It looks like how people in the 1930s would envisions a sleek future.  8)
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2018, 01:42:45 AM »
B-50  :-*
B-29 wanted to grow up to become B-50 and it did !

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2018, 02:10:45 PM »
RS Models has a 1/72 double kit that would fit this perfectly, P-51H and Ki-100-II

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2018, 04:22:20 AM »
Real World Inspiration:



One of the few concepts to combat the Me262 and other German jets that did make it to the flight test stage was a rocket-boosed North American P-51D Mustang. With an approximately 100mph speed advantage over the Mustang, it was felt that a rocket booster of some sort could bring the P-51D a burst of speed that would allow it to battle the Me 262 at altitude instead of over the Luftwaffe's home fields. Tail number 44-73099 was pulled from the production line for modification with an Aerojet liquid rocket engine installed in the lower aft fuselage just behind the radiator and ahead of the tailwheel. The rocket engine used two hypergolic fuels- red fumaric acid and aniline with the fumaric acid acting as the oxidizer. Both were extremely toxic and corrosive and each was housed in a pressurized, 75-gallon tank, one under each wing and much smaller than the standard Mustang drop tank.

With the lower aft fuselage painted with a reflective material to prevent heat damage from the rocket engine, all the pilot had to do was flip a simple off/on switch on the left side of the cockpit to activate the rocket engine. North American test pilot Bob Chilton took the modified Mustang to the air for the first time on 23 April 1945 and at 21,000 feet, he fired the rocket engine and the Mustang surged forward another 100mph. The two 75-gallon tanks were sufficient for one minute of operation. Several test flight were made, but the underwing tanks, even though smaller than the standard fuel drop tank, induced a considerable amount of drag that prevented the rocket-boosted Mustang from really getting the most out of that one minute of rocket-boosted flight. By the time the USAAF took delivery of the 44-73099, the Germans had surrendered unconditionally and the operational need for the rocket boosted Mustang faded into aviation history.

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2018, 06:59:50 AM »
Something similar done with a P-47, but putting the fuel tanks, carefully isolated, within the fuselage?

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2018, 01:48:45 AM »
Given the Douglas A-1 Skyraider actually entered service in 1946, what about some lend lease versions?  Maybe RAF or RAAF?
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2018, 10:43:22 AM »
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2018, 05:06:47 PM »
Only one word can describe those designs:

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2018, 03:29:47 AM »
Blast from the past:

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2018, 03:50:43 AM »
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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2018, 10:30:36 AM »
Would a Merlin-powered Fiat G.55 or G.59, or something similar, be acceptable in Italian Co-Belligerent markings?

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Re: Allies 46 Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2018, 02:46:10 AM »
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