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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:24:23 AM

Title: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:24:23 AM: A thread for your Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration.

(http://www.luft46.com/gmart/gmvto-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:27:54 AM: Starting with the most famous of them all - the Me 163 Komet. I didn't realise there was a flying (unpowered) replica:

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/27/f3/63/27f36340be72ef704966a10d66c5b01b.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TUjdSBz7ixI/AAAAAAAAAuo/wKNrVmps3KY/s1600/Me163glider_1.gif)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TUjdSY_HToI/AAAAAAAAAus/G_IiUq2ybYg/s1600/Me163glider_2.gif)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on July 12, 2014, 06:42:31 AM: Link your story about the Rocket Fleas Greg 8)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:52:47 AM: Quote from: Cliffy B on July 12, 2014, 06:42:31 AM
Link your story about the Rocket Fleas Greg 8)

This one? The Death or Glory Boys (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2852.0)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on July 12, 2014, 06:56:51 AM: You got it!
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 12, 2014, 10:10:49 AM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:27:54 AM
Starting with the most famous of them all - the Me 163 Komet. I didn't realise there was a flying (unpowered) replica: <...>

I wonder... would it be possible to build a safe powered version of that beast with today's technology? Different propellants, sturdier components not as prone to rupturing, safe ways to dump fuel(s),....?
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 12, 2014, 07:50:18 PM: Quote from: ChernayaAkula on July 12, 2014, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2014, 06:27:54 AM
Starting with the most famous of them all - the Me 163 Komet. I didn't realise there was a flying (unpowered) replica: <...>

I wonder... would it be possible to build a safe powered version of that beast with today's technology? Different propellants, sturdier components not as prone to rupturing, safe ways to dump fuel(s),....?

Key would be different propellants. You'd really want to build a new, clean slate design to take best advantage of it though. The SR.53 showed it could be done.
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 13, 2014, 03:22:19 AM: Quote from: ChernayaAkula on July 12, 2014, 10:10:49 AM
I wonder... would it be possible to build a safe powered version of that beast with today's technology? Different propellants, sturdier components not as prone to rupturing, safe ways to dump fuel(s),....?

Most definitely could be done. I would probably look to use something like the XCOR rocket propulsion system as being developed for the Rocket Racing League. This uses either isopropyl alcohol or ethanol and liquid oxygen and thus is arguably safer than the T-Stoff (Hydrogen peroxide) oxidizer and C-Stoff (hydrazine hydrate/alcohol mix) used by the Me163 during the war. You also have the advantage of decades of design/construction experience to add to the mix. The XCOR rocket has been used in the Mark-III X-Racer demonstration vehicle:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Rocketplane.jpg/1280px-Rocketplane.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 07, 2014, 04:56:07 AM: Interesting proposal (click on image for more details):

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RR5Cb8ZmJMQ/UK_GiqB-AlI/AAAAAAAADMI/4R1ODwyxWNc/s1600/Launch+Illustration+web.jpg) (http://thanlont.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/and-now-for-something-completely.html)
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Post by: deathjester on September 07, 2014, 05:11:49 AM: Very nice, very nice.....so recovery is handled by an extra large, fold out dartboard, I presume...
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Post by: Cliffy B on September 07, 2014, 06:32:30 AM: I find it VERY interesting that a DD-692/710 Class Destroyer would be a suitable operator of these things....
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on September 07, 2014, 12:38:21 PM: German convoy defence ship with Natters etc
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Flyer on September 07, 2014, 04:28:32 PM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 13, 2014, 03:22:19 AM
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on July 12, 2014, 10:10:49 AM
I wonder... would it be possible to build a safe powered version of that beast with today's technology? Different propellants, sturdier components not as prone to rupturing, safe ways to dump fuel(s),....?

Most definitely could be done. I would probably look to use something like the XCOR rocket propulsion system as being developed for the Rocket Racing League. This uses either isopropyl alcohol or ethanol and liquid oxygen and thus is arguably safer than the T-Stoff (Hydrogen peroxide) oxidizer and C-Stoff (hydrazine hydrate/alcohol mix) used by the Me163 during the war. You also have the advantage of decades of design/construction experience to add to the mix. The XCOR rocket has been used in the Mark-III X-Racer demonstration vehicle:

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Rocketplane.jpg/1280px-Rocketplane.jpg[/url])

I so hope someone does a 163 with this rocket. :)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 08, 2014, 02:17:34 AM: If you are willing to pay…I will do it... ;)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Flyer on September 08, 2014, 11:40:49 AM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on September 08, 2014, 02:17:34 AM
If you are willing to pay…I will do it... ;)

If I had that much cash I'd do it myself 8)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 10, 2018, 09:15:29 PM: German Rocket Fighters

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Me163_Natter.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Me163_Natter.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tahsin on September 12, 2018, 05:24:41 PM: As apparently "modern" catapults derive from V-1's and the British invented angled decks as a must for flexible decks they were inspired to develop after the discovery of Me-163, Germans on Graf Zeppelin facing Cutlasses (superior) from America.
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 07, 2020, 03:43:21 AM: Seeing these (click to see larger versions):

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103a-jpg.539186/)(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103b-jpg.539187/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103c-jpg.539188/)(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103d-jpg.539189/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103d1-jpg.539190/)(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103e-jpg.539191/)

Makes me wonder about a similar themed civilian Me163...
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 01, 2022, 03:18:03 AM: Possible diorama idea:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/trailer-13-jpg.655238/)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on June 02, 2022, 01:52:50 AM: Combine the Tamiya 1/48 CCKW kits - closed cab from refueling tanker mounted on cargo version,
add a 1/48 Komet and yer done, if you want a real world diorama replication of the photo.
;)

(http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/armor/1gmcfueler/0141gmcfueler.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 02, 2022, 03:37:27 AM: :smiley:
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on September 01, 2023, 11:28:56 AM: Interesting 1944 concept. Dr Alex Tremulis was a car designer for Crysler & Tucker befor being seconded to the USAAC design section during WW2.
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 01:32:58 AM: Quote from: raafif on September 01, 2023, 11:28:56 AM
Interesting 1944 concept. Dr Alex Tremulis was a car designer for Crysler & Tucker befor being seconded to the USAAC design section during WW2.

Fantastic Plastic did do a 1/48 kit of this:

(https://fantastic-plastic.com/uploads/3/5/5/3/35539432/6297722_orig.jpg)
(https://fantastic-plastic.com/uploads/3/5/5/3/35539432/9197223_orig.jpg)
(https://fantastic-plastic.com/uploads/3/5/5/3/35539432/2020671_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 01:39:02 AM: Let's not forget the Russian Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1:

(https://www.tsagi.ru/upload/medialibrary/c6e/c6eb7f76f46371a5be6de6496e77e1d4.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.destinationsjourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/bi-3.jpg?ssl=1)
(https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ww2planes/various/bereznyak_isayev_bi_1-71650.jpg)
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/129/129816-ed3aca45e478cd73e1f46a75fd653be8.jpg)
(https://agtom.eu/98543-large_default/mikromir-48010-bi-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on September 02, 2023, 03:24:42 AM: There's got to be a way to put a weapon on an X-15 ;D
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 03:40:39 AM: Quote from: perttime on September 02, 2023, 03:24:42 AM
There's got to be a way to put a weapon on an X-15 ;D

Like in

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Titan_Stephen_Baxter.JPG)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on September 02, 2023, 10:56:17 PM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 01:39:02 AM
Let's not forget the Russian Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1:

(https://agtom.eu/98543-large_default/mikromir-48010-bi-1.jpg)

I think I have a kit of that in the stash - just not sure where or kitted by whom. (https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1310060658/vector/thinking-emoticon-question-face-emoji-with-eyeglasses-vector-illustration.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=pNujEuBbCFfBGUPFNznD6gMVAJ_uGeFYMmjpPuby9Eg=)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Frank3k on September 03, 2023, 02:07:47 AM: I think everyone has that kit. I remember that it was one of the first widely available former Eastern European/Russian kits after the fall of the USSR. I even got one for free as "packing material"! It's not a great kit.
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 03, 2023, 04:10:46 AM: Not a fighter perhaps but close enough:

(https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/1691734304054.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on September 03, 2023, 09:06:30 AM: X-15 strapped to an Atlas rocket, cool!
I’ll have to save this one.
Title: Re: Rocket Fighters Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 10, 2023, 08:07:02 AM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on September 03, 2023, 04:10:46 AM
Not a fighter perhaps but close enough:

(https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/1691734304054.jpg)
I'm not at all certian that the "aluminum condom" structure of the Atlas could take it. I rather like the proposed x-15B that was to be launched by three Navaho boosters.