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Title: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: JoseFern on July 30, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2012, 02:14:09 AM
 :)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2012, 02:14:25 AM
No comment necessary:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SVT.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on July 31, 2012, 02:39:08 AM
Vampire HF:  Extended wings and subtle enough to be real.   
Sea Venom:  Pointy nose, pointy cover over tail hook.  Overall gloss sea blue, USN. 
Sea Vixen:  USAF SEA nightime colors.
Sea Vixen:  UAV with a big ol bomb in the nose for use in antishipping.
Sea Vixen:  ARDU
Sea Vixen:  Kiwi colours
(Now why do I have a regular job that takes all my time!?!  :o ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on July 31, 2012, 06:56:55 AM
As the saying goes, "here's some I prepared earlier":

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/SeaVixen2.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/SeaVixen3.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/SeaVixen1.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USN/SeaVixen12.jpg)

Regards,

John
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on July 31, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
Did this one a long time ago for an extended war scenario.  The "N" notation means they are night fighter capable with the noses housing radars.

(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/Artwork/AlliedVenomNF10s.jpg)

They should say "Vampire" instead of "Venom"  :-\
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on October 29, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Presuming Trumpeter does not revise the Vampire kit and its myriad shape troubles, convert the vertical tail to the pointy reverse curved units, add the a/c fairing on the starboard side and sell it and Venoms to African nations instead of the MiG-15/17.

Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on October 29, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
Always thought a thin wing, tandem cockpit (under a single long canopy), twin RR Spey 202, Skyflash / Sidewinder / twin ADEN armed Sea Vixen FAW 3 (or even FGA 3 with bombs rockets and Bullpup) would have been good. 
Designed specifically to operate from updated Centaurs and Victorious, or even a modernised Collosus/Majestic at a push, ideal for a FAA into the mid to late 80s and for export to replace Seahawk / Sea Venom / Banshee.....
Smaller and lighter than Phantom making 25-300000 ton light fleet carriers viable.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on October 30, 2012, 03:28:21 AM
What if they built a double-bubble version like the XB-42 Mixmaster or the 1950s Batmobile?

Rationale: multiple crew with flight controls is a GOOD thing in a combat aircraft, but using them requires VISIBILITY. If Jake had eaten that bullet instead of Morg at the start of Flight of the Intruder, the bird probably wouldn't have gotten home and the BEST the BN could hope for was a stay at the Hanoi Hilton being gagged with puke-soaked rags and twisted around to be eyeball-to-butthole with himself, where even with the limited forward visibility a USAF Phantom or Mudhen GIB at least has SOME chance of bringing the plane home.

Besides, when flying the Unfriendly Skies a second pair of eyes that can watch for SA-2s and MiGs is ALSO a GOOD thing...
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: arc3371 on October 30, 2012, 07:53:31 PM
Here is something old

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/arc3371/ZXTEST.png)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 03, 2012, 09:53:05 AM
Vampire Two seater converted to a four seater, lengthened/strengthened and it becomes a precursor for the Grumman Prowler.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 03, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
Vampire Two seater converted to a four seater, lengthened/strengthened and it becomes a precursor for the Grumman Prowler.
Add an engine upgrade, too, to deal with the extra weight without performance loss.  Perhaps the same approach would be more rationally applied to a Sea Venom?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 03, 2012, 10:39:52 AM
Yes indeedy. 
Longer wings, heavier landing gear, longer and stronger tail booms, engine upgrade...all of it.  Without it, it'd be a non-functioning dog.   ;D   There is this rumor that Airfix are bringing out an all new tooled Vampire not all that long hence so I chose that airframe over the Sea Vixen. 

Now an Elextric Vixen of some kind?   :-* :D :)  Especially a thin winged one??   :-* :-* :-*

Getting back to the two seater Vampire:   Minigun pods and USAF SEA night use.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 03, 2012, 10:53:49 AM
If you want more room for equipment and personnel for IRS operations, do an operational version of that proposed Vampire-derived business jet that was around some time back.  There was a mock-up, but nothing more that I know of and there were charges of fraud and such, but it would look cool, especially fitted out for either ELINT or EW operations and in appropriate colors and markings.

Here's a picture of the mock-up:
(http://photos.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/8/0196893.jpg)

And here's a company display model:
(http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac6/civil%20vampire%20model.jpg)

And a plan-view:
(http://www.airvectors.net/avvamp_1_09.png)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 03, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Is giving me 1/72 bashing ideas.
1/48 Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen. Fit with either 1/72 F-14 or 1/144 B-1 swing wings.
Fit with 1/72 crew accomodations.

To build a 1/72 bomber start with 1/32 Sea Venom. Fit with appropriate size fixed or swing wings.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 03, 2012, 11:20:21 AM
Given the similarities in appearance between the Vampire and the proposed FW Flitzer, perhaps a turboprop version of the Vampire?  Juggling the necessary extension shaft from the engine, the cockpit, the gearbox in the nose, and the nose gear would be a challenge, but it could make for an attractive aircraft.  Perhaps to display alongside a turboprop Seahawk?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on December 03, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
If you want more room for equipment and personnel for IRS operations, do an operational version of that proposed Vampire-derived business jet that was around some time back.  There was a mock-up, but nothing more that I know of and there were charges of fraud and such, but it would look cool, especially fitted out for either ELINT or EW operations and in appropriate colors and markings.

Here's a picture of the mock-up:
([url]http://photos.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/8/0196893.jpg[/url])

And here's a company display model:
([url]http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac6/civil%20vampire%20model.jpg[/url])

And a plan-view:
([url]http://www.airvectors.net/avvamp_1_09.png[/url])


That's something I'd not seen before.

With a fuselage pod like that, it's hard to believe they thought one engine was going to get the job done.

It's really begging for two engines, maybe a pair of Nene.

Of course, you could build it off a Sea Vixen and just keep the Avons in there.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 04, 2012, 08:07:49 AM
Perhaps a single J52 instead?  If that's too much, then how about a pair of CJ610s (civil dry J85s)?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on December 04, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
With a fuselage pod like that, it's hard to believe they thought one engine was going to get the job done.

Upnorth, how much power do you need. It looks like the airframe is based on the Vampire T11 and the Goblin engine for that put out 3500 lbs of thrust.  The first Cessna Citation (seems to be in the same class) only had 4000 lbs, but IIRC the Ghost engine (from the Venom) could drop straight into the Vampire engine bay and that put out about 5000 lbs.  I would think there's more than enough power wouldn't you ?  and there was plenty of spare T11's and engines around back then.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on December 05, 2012, 06:13:19 PM
Ghost would require enlarged intakes.  Some trainer Vampires had Ghosts and required additional intakes on top of the fuselage for engine cooling IIRC.  This was rectified in later versions with enlarged root intakes.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 10, 2012, 01:50:45 AM
Putting tail pods similar to the large single one on the EA-6A/B and EF-111, turn a Sea Vixen into an Electric version.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 22, 2012, 02:53:34 AM
Found this over at modellversium.de:

de Havilland Vampire FB.6 built by Hubert Ortinger using the 1:48th scale Hobbycraft kit (http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/8-flugzeuge-modern/10201-de-havilland-vampire-fb6-hobbycraft.html)

click on thumbnail image or html above to view.

(http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/2/0/1/10201-tumb.jpg) (http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/8-flugzeuge-modern/10201-de-havilland-vampire-fb6-hobbycraft.html)

Hard to believe that this started out in a HobbyCraft box. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on December 22, 2012, 05:59:40 AM

Hard to believe that this started out in a HobbyCraft box.

No kidding!

That is some serious model building skill brought to bear or a kit barely worthy of it!  :o
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on April 15, 2013, 02:59:25 AM
Sea Vixen with an AWG-9 variant, two extended range AIM-54s, two regular AIM-54s, and two Sidewinder variants relevant in 1980s.    Operator?   Norway, Denmark, Canada, perhaps Spain.   For Spain, however, I'd be more inclined to use a Sea Eagle variant.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on April 15, 2013, 04:42:11 AM
I thought I posted this here ....
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/Twixen.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on June 06, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
Using the new Airfix Vampire turn it into a UAV pilotless flying bomb somewhat like the bottom part of the Mistel.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 06, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
I like your thinking.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Empty Handed on June 11, 2013, 10:42:35 PM
Fiat/Macchi licensed built Vixen variant for the Aeronautica Militare like their Vampires?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on June 12, 2013, 05:50:35 AM
I thought I posted this here ....
([url]http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/Twixen.jpg[/url])

Interesting... but needs one cockpit mirror-imaged. I envision that as Pilot and WSO/Nav having their own cockpits for extended-endurance patrol, with some added creature comfort and both having a set of flight controls and an ejector seat to bail out with. Could beat the Phantom for "first RAF aircraft with full ejection", rather than the traditional "only the pilots get bangseats and everyone else has to go out the hatch and hope they're above minimum safe altitude..." (*stares pointedly at the Vulcan's biggest design flaw*)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on July 01, 2013, 06:54:15 AM
Canadian load out for the Sea Vixen:  Two Harpoons, two Phoenix.   Too heavy?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on July 01, 2013, 07:34:51 AM
Can someone tell me why I haven't yet thought of doing an RCN Sea Vixen?

I do want to do an RBCAF Vixen, but I think the Cyber Hobby kit is a bit expensive for the sort of bash I want to attempt with it. There, I'm thinking either single seat or twin seat in a more conventional arrangement, with non-offset cockpit...
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on July 01, 2013, 07:39:16 AM
Slap on something like the canopy on an Intruder and raise the BN's seat up to near the same level as a pilot's seat?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 01, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
There is also the Xtrakit Sea Vixen. Shows up on eBay occasionally.

(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/xtrakit72003reviewpm_box.jpg)

Kit review is here (http://www.hyperscale.com/2008/reviews/kits/xtrakit72003reviewpm_1.htm).
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on July 01, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
Slap on something like the canopy on an Intruder and raise the BN's seat up to near the same level as a pilot's seat?

A Hunter T.7 or DH Sea Venom canopy would be appropriate.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on July 01, 2013, 08:27:50 PM
Slap on something like the canopy on an Intruder and raise the BN's seat up to near the same level as a pilot's seat?

A Hunter T.7 or DH Sea Venom canopy would be appropriate.

Or a Lightning T.5 canopy and fairing?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 02, 2013, 05:26:50 AM
An Avro Vulcan's canopy works even better  -----  trust me --- I've tried it   >:D
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on July 29, 2013, 07:02:36 AM
Remove the radar from a Sea Venom and replace with a gun nose a la A-26K,  a few underwing munitions and cockpit armor.  USAF Vietnam ground attack.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2013, 05:32:41 AM
Anyone needing inspiration?

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7228/cutawayjetcraftejecutiv.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 19, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/special/contest/ipmsusa2013_004t.jpg) (http://www.cybermodeler.com/special/pages/ipmsusa2013_004.shtml)
Click thumbnail to view larger image of this unusual Sea Vixen that was on the contest tables at the IPMS USA 2013 Nationals in Loveland, Colorado. 

More images of this event at this link: IPMS/USA National Convention 2013
Contest Room Photo Gallery
Loveland, CO USA on Friday, 16 Aug 2013
By Michael Benolkin (http://www.cybermodeler.com/special/ipmsusa2013_gallery.shtml)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on August 20, 2013, 01:46:12 AM
Love his entry sheet description  ;D

He needs an invite!  Great job  8)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 20, 2013, 02:47:23 AM
He needs an invite!  Great job  8)

Indeed.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on September 02, 2013, 05:00:26 AM
If Britain could paint up its Harriers for winter exercises in Norway, why not Splinter some Vampires or Venoms for summer training with the Swedes. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on September 02, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
^ Now there's a splendid idea.  :)
Tried something on a Jaguar (no reason it wouldn't work on any other type, though). Not my best effort (the line-art was a bit "dirty"). The idea was that they'd use two different splinter stencils to apply the splinters, flipping them over at leisure to get several different splinters out of a single stencil. In my drawing they were only flipped vertically and horizontally, but in real life lots of other angles would be possible, creating even more diverse splinters.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Jaguar_TempSplinter2_zps8e9ef93b.png)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on September 29, 2013, 02:00:23 AM
Put cameras in the nose of the Vampire T.11.   What would it be designated?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on October 12, 2013, 12:32:31 AM
Sea Venom, Firestreaks.   RCAF.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 07, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
Canadian load out for the Sea Vixen:  Two Harpoons, two Phoenix.   Too heavy?

Way too heavy for anything other than a Hollywood weapons display at the airshow.  Now if you change the engines over to something with more power you might get away with that very heavy load out. 

----------------------------------

Sea Vixen in SAAF or RhAF markings? -  The RhAF green/brown camouflage scheme would look very interesting. 

Sea Vixen with engine bits from the AirFix Buccaneer (RR Olympus) or maybe the AirFix Tornado (RR RB.199)? -  Will have to dig out a Tornado and Buccaneer to see what works best. 

Sea Vixen with the bombardier/navigator section from a Canberra in place of the radome? Then you have an option to use the Sea Vixen radome on a Canberra :) 


Wikipedia - de Havilland Sea Vixen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Sea_Vixen)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on January 07, 2014, 04:51:11 PM

Way too heavy for anything other than a Hollywood weapons display at the airshow.  Now if you change the engines over to something with more power you might get away with that very heavy load out. 


Thin wing, stretched fuselage, tandem seat / canopy and after burning Spey FAW3 Sea Vixen.  I will build it one day, I may be 90 or older, but I will do it!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 07, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
Sea Venom, Firestreaks.   RCAF.


A few ideas I have found on the 'net as I have some 1/72 Modelcraft (ex-Frog molds) inbound from Ebay's Modelmaam.

RCAF Bomber:
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-Bomber-RCAF.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-Bomber-RCAF.jpg.html)

(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-Bomber-RCAF-loads.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-Bomber-RCAF-loads.jpg.html)

PR3 Courtesy of PR19_Kit. Did you finish it Kit?
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR3A.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR3A.jpg.html)

PR1 / PR2A (Lenny100)
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR2.png) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR2.png.html)

VG Wing
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-Swing-wing.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-Swing-wing.jpg.html)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 07, 2014, 06:52:46 PM
RCAF Sea Vixen interceptor instead of the CF-101 Voodoo armed with the AIR-2 Genie and other air to air weapons of choice ?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 07, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
The PR drawings are Kit's.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 08, 2014, 05:08:37 AM
PR3 Courtesy of PR19_Kit. Did you finish it Kit?
([url]http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR3A.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/CF-101B/media/Modeling%202014/DH110-PR3A.jpg.html[/url])


The darn thing is still one of the 60 'Unbuilts' cluttering up the Model Room. I got as far as updating the central nacelle with the resin bits and cutting the wings to shape but it all stalled after that. I REALLY need to get that done this year!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on February 02, 2014, 12:16:02 PM
Anyone needing inspiration?

([url]http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7228/cutawayjetcraftejecutiv.jpg[/url])


Huge article on this project here:

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/444/language/fr-FR/Vampires-of-Las-Vegas.aspx (http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/444/language/fr-FR/Vampires-of-Las-Vegas.aspx)

Dodgy as hell, but interesting and full of whiff-fodder in both the idea and the back story.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on January 09, 2015, 12:47:32 AM
Ok real world, De Havilland Australia (DHA) builds 80 Vampire fighters and fighter bombers for the RAAF followed by 110 Vampire trainers (most built in Australia, some assembled, some imported).  Thin wing Vampire (Venom) proposed (even before 1st Vampire delivered) but not proceeded with, licence production of Sea Venom by DHA for RAN considered but not proceeded with (Vampire trainer contract awarded instead).  Vampire fighter and fighter bomber equips regular and reserve squadrons until RAAF reserve loses flying role in 1960, trainers serve the RAAF until 1970 and the RAN FAA until 1971.  Vampire, although in service with the RAAF at the time, is not deployed to Korea and the Mustangs serving with 77 squadron are replaced in theatre with Meteor F8s.  In addition 78 Wing RAAF is equipped with RAF owned Vampire FB9 while garrisoning Malta from 1952 to 1954, returning to Australia prior to the creation of the Far East Strategic Reserve which was seen as a greater priority than the Mediterranean deployment.

My very simple whiff is that Australian production switched to the Venom at the earliest opportunity, licence production of the Sea Venom is undertaken in Australia for the RAN and either the Sea Venom (for commonality reasons) or the Venom NF3 is also produced to re-equip the RAAF reserve squadrons as they convert to the FAW role. If possible the Venom enters service with the RAAF before the RAF and serves in Korea instead of the Meteor F8, meaning the Meteor never enters regular squadron service with the RAAF, if not possible no problem forget it.  Vampire trainer is still produced as in reality but possibly delayed with more of them being imported due to capacity and timing issues at DHA.  Australian built Vampires and Venoms are supplied to RNZAF in particular but some other countries under Commonwealth defence agreements aided by some US MAP funding.  78 Wing re-equips with Venoms and stays in Malta past 1954, while 77 squadron returns to Australia post Korea and along with 3 squadron is eventually re-equipped with Sabres, P1082s, or Hunters.  A third regular fighter wing is formed in 1955, equipped with Venoms and based in Butterworth Malaysia as part of the Far East Strategic Reserve.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on July 27, 2016, 11:51:45 AM
(http://orig09.deviantart.net/40c8/f/2011/277/b/f/de_havilland_sea_devil_mk__i_by_bispro-d4bt5ol.jpg)
Quote
If De Havilland had gone for a more daring approach, the Sea Vixen might have been the Sea Devil instead... But in the 1950s, no one was willing to develop forward-swept wing aircraft. Not that it has changed much, mind you...

[Source (http://bispro.deviantart.com/art/De-Havilland-Sea-Devil-Mk-I-261700869)]
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on July 30, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
Zany enough I might just give this a go once life sorts out:
Fabric wing.  Tubing booms with wire bracing a la WW1
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on September 13, 2016, 12:35:09 PM
Recently I revisited the British Secret Project entry on supersonic DH.110 due to my sudden interest in the idea of a supersonic Sea Vixen......

It is stated that the option that had the most attention would have wing thickness through out either just outboard of the boom or outboard of the intakes over the boom to 6%.  If this is to be translated onto Sea Vixen:


Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 13, 2016, 08:42:01 PM
The 6% refers to the ratio of wing thickness to chord; for supersonic aircraft it needs to be low.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on October 17, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
How about a kit bash of a Seavixen FAW2 with a Javelin nose (for the tandem cockpit) and a stretched fuselage for after burning Avons?  This should look good and in the real world if not just supersonic, it would at least have had superior acceleration, climb and had better take off and go around performance.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on October 17, 2016, 10:02:14 PM
How about a kit bash of a Seavixen FAW2 with a Javelin nose (for the tandem cockpit) and a stretched fuselage for after burning Avons?  This should look good and in the real world if not just supersonic, it would at least have had superior acceleration, climb and had better take off and go around performance.


You mean like my Sea Vixen FAW.3 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6228.0)?

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/VM98NB.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on October 17, 2016, 11:12:29 PM
Whare have you been hiding that?

Its outstanding!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on October 18, 2016, 07:02:38 AM
Now what am I going to do with my Vixens and Javelins?! Curse you!!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on October 18, 2016, 08:43:57 AM
I've been playing with the idea of converting my DH.108 into a "proof-of-concept" Vixen
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on October 29, 2016, 01:37:14 PM
Twin booms and rear horizontal stabilizer on a F7U Cutlass.   As an attack platform it could be the dH Violent.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Modelnut53 on November 05, 2016, 04:54:14 AM
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.
Fw had the idea for the 'Flitzer' using an extended shaft driving a prop at the front of the aircraft.
This idea doesn't appeal to me.
I think another alternative would be to have the propeller as a pusher unit with the jet exhaust exiting through the spinner.
A similar arrangement should also work for the Vampire.
The  undercarriage would have to be extended to accommodate this in both cases.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 05, 2016, 05:01:45 AM
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.



I would imagine it would look a bit like a SNCASO SO.8000 Narval:

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/sud-ouest-so8000-narval.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/so8000/so8000-1.gif)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 05, 2016, 09:29:49 AM
For some reason, I really like that aircraft (amazingly, because it's French). I've got an Akatombo kit of it in 1/72 scale too ---
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 06, 2016, 02:24:37 AM
I wish it was available in 1/48
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 14, 2017, 05:11:25 AM
More on the Vampire Business jet here (http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/444/Vampires-of-Las-Vegas.aspx).
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 14, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
I'm considering a Sea Vixen E.3 with the radar and rocket tubes replaced by ECM gear, antenna bulges on the outboard side of each vertical fin, and carrying Shrike missiles as well as the drop tanks and with an EWO in place of the RIO.  Overall painting and color schemes would remain common with the FAW.2.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on March 25, 2018, 01:01:58 AM
Oh that's cool!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 28, 2019, 06:50:13 AM
Random Idea:  Royal Malaysian Air Force Sea Vixen
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on September 28, 2019, 08:28:08 AM
One thing that keeps going on-and-off in my head is a kitbash between an A-6 Intruder nose & cockpit and the rest of a scaled-up Sea Venom......
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 28, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
One thing that keeps going on-and-off in my head is a kitbash between an A-6 Intruder nose & cockpit and the rest of a scaled-up Sea Venom......
1/72 A-6 and 1/48 Sea Venom?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on September 28, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.



I would imagine it would look a bit like a SNCASO SO.8000 Narval:

([url]https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/sud-ouest-so8000-narval.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/so8000/so8000-1.gif[/url])


This reminds me of something from Crimson Skies.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on September 28, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Not seen that before now.  Cool configuration.  8)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on September 28, 2019, 09:27:18 PM
I've got a kit of that in the stash. D'oh! already said that ---  ;D
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on September 28, 2019, 10:50:35 PM
Does anyone have any info on the proposed swept wing, conventional tail Venom / Sea Venom that was cancelled in favour of the Sea Vixen?  I have read about it in a couple of post on RN carriers and vaguely recall a line drawing somewhere but have no real info on it.  I imaging it may have been an evolution of the Swallow?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 29, 2019, 01:50:19 AM
Does anyone have any info on the proposed swept wing, conventional tail Venom / Sea Venom that was cancelled in favour of the Sea Vixen?  I have read about it in a couple of post on RN carriers and vaguely recall a line drawing somewhere but have no real info on it.  I imaging it may have been an evolution of the Swallow?
DH.116, I know I have some books with three-views of it (one on the Venom and one on the Sea Vixen).  It somewhat reminds me of a Sea Venom crossed with a Hunter.  I can hunt it down if you're interested.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on September 29, 2019, 02:25:11 AM
That would be great.

AGRA used to mention the type and said it would have out performed the Sea Vixen and fitted on the smaller carriers.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on September 29, 2019, 02:33:49 AM
That would be great.

AGRA used to mention the type and said it would have out performed the Sea Vixen and fitted on the smaller carriers.

Pages 16/17 in BSP Jet Fighters since 1950 (1st addition)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 29, 2019, 06:15:28 AM
Does anyone have any info on the proposed swept wing, conventional tail Venom / Sea Venom that was cancelled in favour of the Sea Vixen?  I have read about it in a couple of post on RN carriers and vaguely recall a line drawing somewhere but have no real info on it.  I imaging it may have been an evolution of the Swallow?

This one?

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner080/EF87A6EE-9A12-49F9-86E1-0D3333A1D78D_zpsmwlq7gld.jpeg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on September 29, 2019, 09:27:41 AM
Yes!

I wonder if there is a kit anywhere, that or detailed enough drawings to get busy on the 3D printer.

Thankyou
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on September 29, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
Smaller Phantom wings attached to a modified Hunter T7 fuselage?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 29, 2019, 12:13:30 PM
Smaller Phantom wings attached to a modified Hunter T7 fuselage?
1/100 Phantom wings combined with a Sea Venom cockpit and nose blended with a Hunter T.7 fuselage?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on September 30, 2019, 09:00:59 AM
Smaller Phantom wings attached to a modified Hunter T7 fuselage?
1/100 Phantom wings combined with a Sea Venom cockpit and nose blended with a Hunter T.7 fuselage?

Possible.  Possible.   It would need to be carefully handled though...
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on September 30, 2019, 09:10:13 PM
Smaller Phantom wings attached to a modified Hunter T7 fuselage?
1/100 Phantom wings combined with a Sea Venom cockpit and nose blended with a Hunter T.7 fuselage?

Possible.  Possible.   It would need to be carefully handled though...

I don't know, but the wing looks very similar to an FJ-4 wing ---
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 30, 2019, 11:35:40 PM
Looks like it has a greater chord, though.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 12, 2022, 03:08:57 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_02_2014/8a6d9aeaa2e2688f6d3cea1c61317bb0-img00046.jpg)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_02_2014/35056d47924031a3628f01e7ede12f77-img00036.jpg)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_02_2014/a1e3f01bf782460a11b41ea7851e9d6b-img00045.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 24, 2022, 05:14:12 AM
BPR FAA nose intake Sea Vixen

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SoVIxen01.jpeg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/0175ea8d-4010-428d-be52-17735db96599)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 29, 2022, 04:28:28 AM
Cool!  :smiley:

Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2022, 12:16:31 AM
Cool!  :smiley:

Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....

As in replace the forward fuselage with that from an F-4 Phantom?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 30, 2022, 03:58:45 AM
^ Yup, that's the idea.  :smiley:
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on July 31, 2022, 09:32:40 AM
Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....
I'm doing it with a Javelin front. Lots and lots of PSR!
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 01, 2022, 09:47:23 PM
Cool!  :smiley:

Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....

As in replace the forward fuselage with that from an F-4 Phantom?

Here you have it. ;)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SeaVixen-F4.jpeg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/b309d902-4303-4009-8940-38c1208c13a9)
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on August 01, 2022, 11:19:22 PM
Cool!  :smiley:

Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....

As in replace the forward fuselage with that from an F-4 Phantom?


Here you have it. ;)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SeaVixen-F4.jpeg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/b309d902-4303-4009-8940-38c1208c13a9)


Did you scale-o-rama that Carlos ?
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 02, 2022, 02:59:22 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 03, 2022, 06:58:02 PM
Did you scale-o-rama that Carlos ?

No. It is constant scale. You have to work fuselage depth.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on August 04, 2022, 05:21:26 AM
I like that a lot.
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 11, 2022, 04:50:19 AM
Wondering about a Phantom cockpit section/fuselage....
Here you have it. ;)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SeaVixen-F4.jpeg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/b309d902-4303-4009-8940-38c1208c13a9)

It's perfect!  :-*

With a bunch of Sparrows on there, fleet defence just got a little more bite and reach!  :smiley:
Title: Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Litvyak on August 11, 2022, 07:07:45 AM
omg that is perfect