Author Topic: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 46379 times)

Offline The Big Gimper

  • Any model will look better in RCAF, SEAC or FAA markings
  • Global Moderator
  • Cut. Cut. Cut. Measure. Cut. Cut. Crap. Toss.
    • Photobucket Modeling Album
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #270 on: September 18, 2017, 07:08:09 PM »
I like these markings. Easy build.

Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

User and abuser of Bothans...

Online elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #271 on: October 07, 2017, 11:58:34 AM »
one of the most recent issues of Mustangs International has a unique limited-run Mustang variant that could cause severe JMN confusions.  The "NA-106" had the "D" wing but was built with the razorback fuselage and plans to convert it to a bubble canopy later; I could see the mix of six wing guns with a razorback fuselage causing some screeching from purists until you provided documentation.

I still stand by my pure whif idea of a salvaged "B" or "C" fuselage mated a salvaged 4-cannon wing from an Allison-powered Mustang to make a one-off "Junkyard Dog".

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2017, 02:20:06 PM »
Weren't no razor-back Mustangs, only P-47s. ;)

When did people start referring to the original Mustang fuselage profile as 'razorback'?'
it's neither humped in profile nor sharp in cross-section. To me it's always been P-51(A, B, C)
and bubble-topped D, with no reference to profile necessary on anything other than the D.

I've even seen it used in reference to Spitfires!, which is truly incorrect, Spits are normal
and low-back/cutdown for the bubble canopy versions.

The term is really only correct for the pre-bubble P-47s as the canopy fairing was indeed
humped in profile, along with being sharp in cross-section, another inheritance of its P-35
grandparent.

Anyhow, as to the bird in question, other sources, including NAA order number/production lists,
refer to order number NA-106 P-51D, no block number, (not P-51D-1, none of that block were built)
as being two NA-102 P-51B, 42-106539 and -106540, the two aircraft mentioned in the article, modified
to test the new canopy installation, the only mods were those required to mount the bubble canopy and
new windscreen. No D-wing or six-gun modification is mentioned.

The first aircraft modified to the bubble canopy was NA-102 P-51B 43-12102, however it was not
against order NA-106.

Having looked at the, single, photo of -106540 from the article (it's available at their site), I'm not
convinced that their statement that it shows a three gun right wing is correct. It appears to
show the shorter ammo bays, as standard on the B/C, not the longer ones as fitted to the D. Now is
it possible that they trialled a three-gun installation? Sure, however that wouldn't require a
three-gun wing. Also the wing really isn't clear enough in the image to make that determination.

I think they're creating a mystery where none exists, I believe it's simply a photo of 42-106540
before it was modified to bubble canopy configuration.

NA-102 P-51B/D 43-12102
"Evil our grandsires were, our fathers worse;
And we, till now unmatched in ill,
Must leave successors more corrupted still."
Horace, 65BC - 8BC. Marsh translation.

Online elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #273 on: October 08, 2017, 02:03:48 AM »
I'll take your word for it; though the other option does seem like a fun way to confozzle JMN's.

If not "razorback", then perhaps "fastback"?  I know that term is used for early Cessna 172's before they went to the "all-around vision" cut-down rear fuselage with swept vertical tale.

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #274 on: October 08, 2017, 02:37:41 AM »
I'll take your word for it; though the other option does seem like a fun way to confozzle JMN's.

If not "razorback", then perhaps "fastback"?  I know that term is used for early Cessna 172's before they went to the "all-around vision" cut-down rear fuselage with swept vertical tale.

Fastback GT1650.  ;D  ;)
"Evil our grandsires were, our fathers worse;
And we, till now unmatched in ill,
Must leave successors more corrupted still."
Horace, 65BC - 8BC. Marsh translation.

Online elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #275 on: October 08, 2017, 03:16:15 AM »
I'll take your word for it; though the other option does seem like a fun way to confozzle JMN's.

If not "razorback", then perhaps "fastback"?  I know that term is used for early Cessna 172's before they went to the "all-around vision" cut-down rear fuselage with swept vertical tale.

Fastback GT1650.  ;D  ;)
*SNORT!*  I love it!

Offline FAAMAN

  • 'bin building for years ....... and it feels it!
  • Always thought of himself as a 'straight' modeller
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #276 on: October 08, 2017, 06:50:16 AM »
How about just leaving P-51D/K Mustangs as "bubble top", it's bad enough that some seem to think that the beautifully elegant Spitfire is a "Razorback", a term which suits the hulking great P-47C/D (early) admirably, and just does not suit the Spitfire nor the P-51B/C at all.
"Resistance is useless, prepare to be assembled!"

Offline Old Wombat

  • "We'll see when I've finished whether I'm showing off or simply embarrassing myself."
  • "Define 'interesting'?"
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #277 on: October 08, 2017, 06:20:49 PM »
High back? ???
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #278 on: October 09, 2017, 02:07:08 AM »
Nope, I'm with FAAMAN, anything pre-D does not require a modifier, as it's general
knowledge that the bubble-canopy was introduced on the D.
"Evil our grandsires were, our fathers worse;
And we, till now unmatched in ill,
Must leave successors more corrupted still."
Horace, 65BC - 8BC. Marsh translation.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #279 on: October 09, 2017, 02:49:31 AM »
Nope, I'm with FAAMAN, anything pre-D does not require a modifier, as it's general
knowledge that the bubble-canopy was introduced on the D.

Ditto

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #281 on: June 02, 2018, 07:45:05 AM »
gorgeous -----