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Offline Brian da Basher

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 08:30:05 AM »
The top "Lighterbolt" reminds me of the P-68 Black Widow, minus the rear gunner/recon station. Now that bottom "Lighterbolt" is what the famous Blohm & Voss observation prototype wishes it could be.

Your wonderful ideas never fail to delight me, Tophe!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 12:03:21 PM »
Thanks BdB to have smile with me about douple-planes and asymmetric ones, but let us be serious now: let us talk about... SPATS!
The Republic design bureau has been very wrong selecting a retractable landing gear for the P-47, this device being heavy and complicated (with crash of the airplane if there is any problem!!). No, the Spatterbolt (below) was the good one, but which: tail-wheeled or nose-wheeled?

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 12:23:55 PM »
But of course !
Its been waiting for me to envision it all these years and I never did - the four engine P-38.
Thanks so much for the enlightenment.

Bill

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 12:59:14 PM »
Bill, several 4-engined P-38 are on my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
(two of them have been built in plastic, ask with Ctrl-f: P-38T then LR-38M)

Concerning the P-47 with spats, I think the main reason is this argument for Republic towards USAAF: "if you want streamlining with few hp, buy those anemic Mustangs of yours, but with a huge engine and much hp vitamins, we don't care about streamlining: big nose, no spinner, spats, yes, all is different, better!"

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2012, 01:39:19 PM »
Took a look and am dizzy with P-38ish images.
Struck me that with the attached P-38, you could do a push/pull on center section for an eight engine P-38.
The center could be push only which leaves nose open for guns.  Perhaps that is best.
The Spider Venom is a relative of your P-38s.  But you have inspired me to likely build some kind of P-38 variation after finishing the unorthodox twin engine jet bomber in work now.  Will find at least one P-38 in some scale and see what kind of variation in 1/72 final scale I come up with.  May borrow ideas from your images.

Bill

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2012, 09:10:30 PM »
For me, the flying boat variant has a 'Porco Rosso' feel to it.

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2012, 12:34:49 AM »
As has been said previously, your work is inspiring!

I love these, in particular:
- Repubrian dB-Aircraft Co U-47 A (maybe will get photomanipulation treatment...)
- Observation O-47
- Consolibrian PB-47
- Spatterbolt 2 (should have been done in real life!!)

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2012, 02:44:59 AM »
Now, there is a Finsrin chapter at the end of http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
(that's your own fault Finsrin :) )

Thanks for the other comments too!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2012, 06:14:43 AM »
Now, there is a Finsrin chapter at the end of http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
(that's your own fault Finsrin :) )

Thanks for the other comments too!


   That reminds me, next time I take a trip in the wayback machine -time traveller, to buy up more Hamilton Standard Stock shares.  :serious-business:

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2012, 06:42:18 AM »
Now, there is a Finsrin chapter at the end of http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
(that's your own fault Finsrin :) )

Thanks for the other comments too!


Absolutely delightful and magnificently whimsical! The only thing it's missing are spats.

Outstanding, Tophe!!!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2012, 10:30:59 AM »
Yes look at that, a good thing gets even better.  Is tempting to build the seven engine version and place guns in nose.  Paint in USAF Thunderbirds scheme?  Because of your inspirational drawings, do plan to base next build on one or two or three P-38 kits then browse thru my stash and see whatever parts donner kits pop out at me.  Start with no plan and let it happen.

Bill

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2012, 01:20:47 PM »
Thanks Brian, this is another chapter at the end of http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit featuring the famous Brian da Basher himself, yes (precious help for the Lockheed designers)...

PS. Have you seen the P-47 with spats on a previous page here, Stargazer selected the #2 and you Brian Spat-man, expert?

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2012, 01:31:49 PM »
corrected drawing with long minor landing gears (to keep guard for the propellers, not two-blade locked horizontal for Take-off & Landing)

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2012, 04:49:31 PM »
A Beauty Tophe! :meaw:

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2012, 05:14:59 PM »
Brilliant --- fixed landing gear simplifies construction, maintenance, lowers cost !
With one or no engines in outer pods there is room be fitted with a gun turret.

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2012, 06:29:49 PM »
but let us be serious now: let us talk about... SPATS!
The Republic design bureau has been very wrong selecting a retractable landing gear for the P-47, this device being heavy and complicated (with crash of the airplane if there is any problem!!). No, the Spatterbolt (below) was the good one, but which: tail-wheeled or nose-wheeled?
With the jet age coming, the P-47 Spatterbolt (now F-47) kept spats of course: no need of streamlining when a so huge power is available!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2012, 07:02:52 PM »
Lower one is very clean and pleasant!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2012, 06:34:52 AM »
Oh my such lovely spats, mon ami!!! I may need to dowload these for, um, a more "in-depth" analysis...

Your work never fails to delight and inspire, Tophe!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2012, 06:48:13 AM »
You guys are onto something big. 
With all the power they have --- F-22 and SR-71 can save retractable landing gear complexity/costs and do the same !
Bill

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2012, 11:17:05 AM »
Mach 3 spats? Wow! :D

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2012, 10:55:36 PM »
Much inspired by the Falke marvel of RussC (for instance at Deviant Art’s http://fav.me/d4kma3t ), I have imagined a similar Lightning. The main differences in mine are the removal of canards into a flying wing and the addition of SPATS to explain (on a little drawing) why such a rear boom.

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2012, 12:17:47 AM »
My what lovely spats you have!
 :-*
This little beauty looks like something that could be marketed as a home-built airplane. I smile  imagining it taking off out of a garage.

Cute as a button, mon ami!

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2012, 04:34:54 AM »
Much inspired by the Falke marvel of RussC (for instance at Deviant Art’s http://fav.me/d4kma3t ), I have imagined a similar Lightning. The main differences in mine are the removal of canards into a flying wing and the addition of SPATS to explain (on a little drawing) why such a rear boom.



Makes me wonder if the legs holding the spats couldn't be made shorter by extending the tailwheel stinger. Also instead of a simple leg to hold the spats, maybe a two poster like on RAF heavies and Mosquitos, shrouded and a radiator bath there between engine nacelle and spat? Nice clean conformal single shape with wheel at the bottom.

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2012, 02:37:51 PM »
From JoseFern’s topic http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=157.60 I have drawn a slanting view of his P-47Z ChainBolt. It is presented on my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit with derivatives of mine but I show it here bigger:

(now I am going to "work" on RussC's idea...)

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Re: Tophe's slanting views
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »
Me like...
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