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Re: Border Model
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2022, 11:25:13 AM »
Pure wank fantasy. Might be able to use parts.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2022, 08:33:35 PM »
If I get one, it'll be an immediate parts donor, but some of those parts are pretty cool...

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2022, 08:41:50 PM »
I wonder if the turret can go orbital ------  >:D >:D >:D

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2022, 12:06:00 AM »
Sadly no, unless they do us a favor and move either the rounds or the propellant charges to their proper Russian location under the turret.

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2022, 12:48:38 AM »
It's mildly ridiculous with that turret - two guns and a very un-Russian/Soviet external ammo bustle. How are you going to make Russian popcorn with that setup? The hammer and sickle and all the excess gear. make it look too war-gamey. But that aside, it looks like good whiff fodder if you want an articulated tank. Put an M-60 or similar western turret on it...

 When I saw the embossing on the glacis, my first thought was the old Command and Conquer computer game. The quad track also reminded me of a tank from an old anime series, Techno Police 21C
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2022, 10:29:28 AM »
It's like a weird amalgamation of some tank tropes  - both real and fantasy - to make a new tank. Bit of IS-2 (glacis and area under turret), bow may also be nod to Objekt 279, double gun from Gundam and/or C&C, two tracks from weird Cold War studies (although those were articulated, unlike this), axes (???) and exhausts from WH40k probably, Grad rocket or Pantsir missile packs, drums because Soviet/Russian tanks won't work without....

I mean, I have no problem with whiffs-from-the-box (enough with the Nazi wankery, tho, please), but this seems... a mess somehow. Steel moulds cost loads of money. Some projects are deemed too risky. And then there's... this. Apparently Border Model think "post-Apocalypse" is the next big thing in modelling and there's a buck to be made.

Could be interesting to get one and whif the whif to make it a bit more convincing. Shorten hull a bit and use one track per side. Proper exhaust(s). Dump the stupid axes. Keep two main guns to leave it just a bit mad.  ;D

The Modelling News has an article (LINK!) that includes a short video with an animated CAD assembly of the tank. Pretty nifty!

<....>Put an M-60 or similar western turret on it...

The engine deck and running gear looks very Patton-ish already, no?
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2022, 11:43:02 AM »
Craig - I hadn't seen the Techno Police 21C; looks a lot like it.

Moritz - I noticed the Objekt 279 bow. I agree with your other assessments, including the excessive World of Tanks inspired NAZI wankery.

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2022, 12:47:11 PM »
Mould life extension exercise maybe with various bits of other vehicles. The sprue layout would determine if all new mould or other bits.

Still as a few of you have already said... there is promise in there

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2022, 02:30:29 PM »
I'm convinced it's a propaganda piece, as the Chinese, Japanese & Russian subtitles translate to "Soviet heavy tank Apocalypse" (note: not post-apocalypse), with Apocalypse appearing to be the name of the tank type.

It would fit with a lot of other things I've been seeing over the last few years with model products coming out of China & Russia.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2022, 10:21:25 PM »
It's mildly ridiculous with that turret - two guns and a very un-Russian/Soviet external ammo bustle. How are you going to make Russian popcorn with that setup? The hammer and sickle and all the excess gear. make it look too war-gamey. But that aside, it looks like good whiff fodder if you want an articulated tank. Put an M-60 or similar western turret on it...


 When I saw the embossing on the glacis, my first thought was the old Command and Conquer computer game. The quad track also reminded me of a tank from an old anime series, Techno Police 21C
T Police 21C Temzin tank by VileDr.Yo, on Flickr


I actually like the turret on that Border Apocalypse kit but I would probably get rid of the side rocket launchers and use the turret on a different hull. I probably wouldn't use the rest of the kit.

The overall shape of the turret on the Border Apocalypse kit looks like a heavily modified T-14 Armata turret. The T-14 turret in unmanned though.




Don't forget about the Bandai M61A5 with the twin main guns as well.


I tried to get one of those Techno Police tank kits many years ago but the prices have always been way out of my reach.


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Re: Border Model
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2022, 11:59:31 AM »
Lots of promise in that kit.  Shame the hull is all one-piece - I'd cut it apart & make it an articulated tank - turret, ammo & driver in front half, engine & fuel in rear ... like the Swedish UDES XX20 :D

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2022, 07:41:56 AM »
Pavesi articulated wheeled tanks.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2022, 07:57:50 AM »
The Apocalypse tank is based on the Soviet tank of the same name from the video games Red Alert 2
and Red Alert 3.

https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Apocalypse_tank_(Red_Alert_2)

Concept art for the game.


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Re: Border Model
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2022, 01:06:40 AM »











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Re: Border Model
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2022, 01:12:10 AM »
Hmmm...basis for tank armed with missiles in articulated launcher?
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2022, 05:21:32 AM »
Hmmm...basis for tank armed with missiles in articulated launcher?

Holy Praying Mantis, Batman!


My first thought was an enormous single claw, and small laser turrets on the front corners. Also, the tool & equipment boxes on
the back end become box missile launchers.

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2022, 01:16:45 PM »
Hmmm...basis for tank armed with missiles in articulated launcher?

I like your thinking!  :smiley: The boxes on the Kodiak's back remind of the Challenger with Trigat proposal.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2022, 02:16:17 AM »
This one?

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2022, 11:48:11 AM »
That's the one!  :smiley:

Might also be a smart idea to use a set-up like this with Stinger or Starstreak. Should be easier to maintain line of sight (Starstreak) from a couple of meters up or just give a wider view (both) with less chance for the attacker to use ground masking to hide. Maybe even something like an IRST sight atop the mast?
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2022, 01:27:16 AM »
There have been similar proposals using SAMs including some with ADATS or Stinger.  As it was, PARS 3 LR/TRIGAT-LR does have an anti-helicopter as well as anti-tank capability.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2022, 04:19:05 AM »
That's the first image I've seen of the HOT (?) with a set of reloads over the engine deck.

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2022, 01:16:54 AM »
That's the first image I've seen of the HOT (?) with a set of reloads over the engine deck.

Here's another (photoshopped?) one:




It was planned to use the TRIGAT LR missile not HOT.
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2022, 09:08:03 PM »
That's the first image I've seen of the HOT (?) with a set of reloads over the engine deck.

Here's another (photoshopped?) one:




It was planned to use the TRIGAT LR missile not HOT.

The pack at the back looks more like an alternative load judging by the tube arrangement.

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Re: Border Model
« Reply #73 on: September 30, 2022, 02:00:11 AM »
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Re: Border Model
« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2022, 02:08:18 AM »
A different approach with the article;ated launcher might be to use an ADATS conversion and thus produce something akin to this:

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