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English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« on: January 26, 2012, 02:02:14 PM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your EE Canberra & Martin B57 Ideas and Inspiration


To start with, here's one I did a few years back - imagine a turboprop Canberra:



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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 02:19:59 PM »
Well, there's always Martin's study of a "flag officer transport" version and the various permutations that could be done with that.

I wonder how an updated one with dry modern military turbofans (F404, F414, RB199, EJ200 - depending on time frame) in place of the dry Avons.  It would take some nacelle redesign to accomodate the separate accessory gearbox that modern engines use as well as some juggling of location for weight and balance purposes, but it's doable and you've got a long enough tailpipe that you could add a mixer nozzle and really reduce your exhaust IR signature.

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 02:15:05 PM »
Hmmm...a EJ200 powered PR.10....
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 03:14:34 PM »
There's always these couple of Martin concepts for the B-57...

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 02:44:48 AM »
Cool - I hadn't seen those before.

Take it a little further and you might get a crude Canberra Business Jet - though from what I understand, the wing might cause some space issues in the cabin.
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 07:26:50 AM »
And then there's the STOVL variant ---

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 07:40:20 AM »
The suggestions from the article regarding the two pics I posted was that Martin had pitched the idea at the wrong customer (ie: the USAF) and should have tried big-business as an early corporate jet.

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 09:34:25 AM »
That ECM trainer would also have a lot of potential as an ELINT aircraft (not in an EP-3E's league, but quite capable) as well as, later, a part of a SEAD team with or without armament of its own.

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 11:08:33 AM »
Airfix 1/72 kits are in the stash for some time in the chop shop:  a Canberra 4 and an alternative PR variant.   


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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 08:33:03 PM »
Some oldies, that might get built one of these years......

Canberra B(I).10 - the high-speed low-level version adopted when TSR.2 was cancelled (much earlier than in real life). Short, thin outer wings with tip tanks, short, all-moving tail planes, B57 cockpit, nose full of avionics:




B(I). 10 is Raspberry Ripple:




Standard cammo:




RAF Vietnam cammo:




B(I).15 SEAD version:




Marineflieger anti-ship version:




Sponsored warbird  ;) :






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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2012, 02:05:31 AM »
I wonder - swept wing Canberra anyone?
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2012, 06:28:56 AM »
I wonder - swept wing Canberra anyone?


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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 05:07:23 AM »
I wonder - swept wing Canberra anyone?

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Like it!   ;D

For those interested in a bit of further Martin/English Electric cross-pollination, the nose intake/radome of a Lightning looks rather good on the front end of an Airfix B-57B!

I may make it a delta!  ;)
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 11:39:25 AM »
One of the side benefits of acquiring the 1/48th scale Airfix B-57 Canberra kit is the very nice radome included for the B-57G that can be used without the cheek fairings to give you a different looking Canberra without too much effort. 
 
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 02:22:41 PM »
This is more candy for my bashing concepts sweet tooth.   mmmmm, tasty
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2012, 01:33:10 PM »
I think about the only thing the Brits didn't hang off the nose of a Canberra was a dill pickle.   
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2012, 12:25:04 PM »
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2012, 02:35:04 AM »
PR.9-4. and PR.9-4e (extended)
B-57 cockpit on a PR.9
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2012, 02:04:16 AM »
New Zealand Canberra Kahu?

RAF Canberra F2?

Rhodesian B2 in anti flash white with pale roundels?

Swedish navy with Rb04 antishipping missiles?

A&AEE mothership for lifting body test vehicle? (think Mistel)

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2012, 03:26:53 AM »
New Zealand Canberra Kahu?


As in re-engined with F404 and given modern avionics and sensors?  :)
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2012, 06:18:57 PM »
New Zealand Canberra Kahu?


As in re-engined with F404 and given modern avionics and sensors?  :)

I was thinking of rewinged with PR-9 wings and engines and F-4 radome (it fits I;ve tried it). But due to financial considerations only the avionics get done. :-*

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2012, 06:32:42 PM »
Did some of these over the years:






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John
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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2012, 03:20:57 AM »
Speculative design of Petter's 'Canberra flying boat' and Hypothetical model of a 'Canberra floatplane' ...

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Re: English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2012, 07:32:49 PM »
A USAF ERB-57A in T.O.-114 (SEA cam)  with some lumps and bumbs, flares, a radome, and some Bullpups prowling the Ho Chi Mihn Trail in the mid '60s?