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Offline Kerick

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Another converted Sherman
« on: August 04, 2015, 10:54:03 AM »
Inspired by Claymore's UCV on the extended service life GB, I'm embarking on an ambitious conversion of an Israeli M51 to a 25mm armed Urban Combat Vehicle. Here is the group pic of donors/victim kits. All but the M51 were in the stash already.

 

Concept is a insurgent war with fighting in city streets where modern tanks are too much firepower yet something tougher than a Bradley is required. A couple of retired Shermans are pulled out of museums and fitted with Bradley turrets and extra armor for field expedient testing. Claymore does a better job of laying out the details than me. http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2276.675

I'll do my version a little different. I'll keep the Bradley turret intact with perhaps the addition of ERA. The Sherman hull will get belly armor, additional glacis armor, extra side armor from the Bradley and ERA. Extra protection for the commander and gunner. I'll adapt what I can from the Bradley BUSK mods. Also some sort of mine plow, roller or dozer blade up front. If nothing else an adaptation of the hedgerow cutters into something that will push aside cars and barriers.

I'll try to keep up some progress on this but work is really busy and so is family stuff. When summer slacks off and child #3 goes back to college things might slow down and allow more modeling time. That's what I always say......

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 11:00:49 AM »
Lots of good starting material.  Will keep a watch on this.
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 08:15:26 PM »
I'll be following this one closely. 

Maybe instead of the mine plow/dozer blade, you could go with something like this?

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=20109

Just some food for thought.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 09:38:08 PM »
and a lovely array of stuff it is
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Offline Kerick

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 01:14:22 AM »
I'll be following this one closely. 

Maybe instead of the mine plow/dozer blade, you could go with something like this?

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=20109

Just some food for thought.

And tasty looking food it is! I'll be looking into this. If the kit is expensive it doesn't look to hard to replicate

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2015, 03:32:40 AM »
I'll be following this one closely. 

Ditto
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 05:54:37 AM »
You can never have too many Sherman conversion, that's what I say!  ;)

I am most honoured that you are taking the concept of the UCV to the next level and thanks again for your support and suggestions during my own build - it was very much appreciated.  Your plan sounds great and I am really looking forward to seeing how the project turns out.   :)
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 09:15:30 AM »
Thanks everyone!
This is my first Sherman build ever plus all the extra stuff so be very patient. Of course some prodding might be helpful once and a while. At least I have the paint plan worked out. I'm going to try the Berlin Brigade urban camo. That should be challenging enough!
You can never have too many Sherman conversion, that's what I say!  ;)

I am most honoured that you are taking the concept of the UCV to the next level and thanks again for your support and suggestions during my own build - it was very much appreciated.  Your plan sounds great and I am really looking forward to seeing how the project turns out.   :)

After seeing your build progress I just had to try it myself. I will have to employ all my skills to match yours!

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2015, 01:43:02 AM »
Raining today so no yard work. Time for a little model building.  ;D

Added some V shaped belly armor to help deflect IED blasts.

IMG_1260 by Ken Erickson, on Flickr

Plastic rod glued to the seams to look like welds. I filed the rod down after the glue dried and sanded it with 100 grit paper to look a little more like welds.

IMG_1262 by Ken Erickson, on Flickr

So     many    wheels...........

IMG_1261 by Ken Erickson, on Flickr

And just getting started on road wheels. Already in a snag about paint colors. Should I paint the area below the fenders olive drab or sand to represent the color of the original vehicle or go Berlin Brigade all over? I'm leaning towards OD. The road wheels will be BB camo except for a couple in OD or sand to represent replaced parts.

I need to hit a model RR shop for some grant line bolts for the add on armor.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2015, 04:49:55 AM »
Rain ? Must be nice, none here in Dallas for 30 days ! ???
The start looks good, am waiting to see the Berlin Brigade camo, always been a favorite of mine.
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2015, 05:41:36 AM »
Further research, (looking at tank pictures), has shown that the lower part of the tank in BB camo was left in the standard camo color of the time. Looks like this means OD for the road wheels and lower hull. Unless I go with sand. Crap....

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2015, 05:42:28 AM »
Further research, (looking at tank pictures), has shown that the lower part of the tank in BB camo was left in the standard camo color of the time. Looks like this means OD for the road wheels and lower hull. Unless I go with sand. Crap....

Most of the pictures and reference material I have on the Berlin Brigade camo scheme indicate that the road wheels and everything inside the tracks was painted black.  That certainly seems the case for the Chieftain and the FV432 variants.
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2015, 11:10:09 AM »
The article I read mentioned the British color of the time which was bronze green. Since this is a Sherman I'm going with OD green. Once I buy some fresh paint and try again.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2015, 03:08:39 PM »
Some progress! Bought some fresh Model Master OD #1911. Much better now.







Painting the rubber on the road wheels next. The engine bay hatch from the Bradley should make a nice transmission cover on the Sherman.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 10:32:33 AM »
WOW !!  That turret really fits well on the Sherman hull.
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 11:38:52 AM »
Finished the new turret ring. Looks better now.
I need to order the bolt heads from Tichytraingroup.com and 0.040 hex rod from Plastruct.

Thanks for the positive comments. Keeps me going on these projects.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 12:42:04 PM »
WOW !!  That turret really fits well on the Sherman hull.

My thoughts exactly!  :)
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 12:47:54 PM »
WOW !!  That turret really fits well on the Sherman hull.

My thoughts exactly!  :)

Nice - sure does  :)

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 03:23:24 PM »
Coming along nicely and should be a natural mate for the M4A3E8 UCV  ;)
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2015, 05:40:00 AM »
I need to order hex rod and bolt heads and then I get to play with different shapes of armor panels.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2015, 11:40:34 AM »
Finally past the road wheel stage! If someone invented an automatic road wheel painting machine I would buy it!
I added the track temporarily to make sure I had clearance for the extra side armor. Looks a little like an M113 at this angle.



Here is the Bradley hatch cover taped in place and a new armor panel for the front of the Sherman. Lots of these to go yet.



The hatch cover needs some cutting down to make it look like it belongs there. 2mm strips provided the perfect spacing between the armor panel and the hull. More jigsaw pieces of armor to follow.

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2015, 01:44:42 PM »
Sherman build is absolutely on track :)

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2015, 03:51:36 PM »
Sherman build is absolutely on track :)


Well, at least one track! Much work to do.
Thanks

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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2015, 04:11:36 PM »
Looking good  :)
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Re: Another converted Sherman
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2015, 08:36:32 PM »
Really coming along nicely.  This is going to be awesome when all is said and done.  Can't wait for the next update.