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« on: June 27, 2014, 08:51:42 PM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?


As was the L2A1 AR (Automatic Rifle) which also had the auto safety and heavy barrel.  Always thought an AR with a conventional fore stock would have been a good thing.  It was a mean looking weapon but my experience of a triple feed and jam on the range did temper my view of them.  I often carried one as No.2 on the gun in my Uni Regiment days, the idea being that in the event of a major stoppage on the M-60 the No.1 and Section 2IC would fix the gun and I would provide suppressive fire with the AR.

Is this getting to the point that its worth splitting off into a separate topic on FN FALs and derivatives?


Yes.

The L2a1 was a copy of the Canadian C2a1, without the C2's dust cover which allowed loading of the magazine with stripper clips, without having to remove it first.

L2a1:


C2a1:


L2s were pretty much exclusively an ARes weapon, although they were originally intended for use by Armoured troopers but the Regulars after they realised how bad the weapon was, pretty well abandoned it.   Its major problem was that it was prone to stoppages and misfeeds from fouling of the gas system unless it was kept scrupulously clean. I used to fire the L2a1 on various ARes exercises.  I much preferred the L4a4 Bren personally as an LMG.  Much more reliable.  Both suffered from the lack of a proper foregrip though and I've burnt my hand on both of them at various times.  It was always bloody inconvenient having a bare barrel just where you were likely to grab the weapon when getting up off the ground.

For diggers who liked to look "warry" the 30 round magazine was a favourite as it would fit the standard L1a1, although it made it rather front heavy.  Both pictures show the earlier straight 30 round magazine.  It was later replaced with a slightly curved one because they found it fed better.   The 30 round magazine was also used on the L4a4 Bren.
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 08:21:47 PM »
What if a 12.70 mm version of MG-42


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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 02:39:55 AM »
Or perhaps an infantry version of the MG 131?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_131_machine_gun

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 03:24:10 AM »
Or perhaps an infantry version of the MG 131?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_131_machine_gun


Something like these perhaps?

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 03:50:49 AM »
Nope, a proper redesign for the infantry role, rather than the extemporized
emergency measure version.
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2016, 12:51:32 AM »
 or perhaps a further development of the abandoned TuF MG?

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2016, 01:41:04 AM »
The Colt Model 1911 Mk IV Series 80 is real and compensators of various types are available.



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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2016, 04:41:51 AM »
Did you know this?

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseitenneu/Mauser06.htm


The Gerat 06/StG45(M) prototype led to the Spanish CETME Modelo C service rifle which led to West Germany's Heckler & Koch G3.

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2016, 05:38:52 AM »
The Colt Model 1911 Mk IV Series 80 is real and compensators of various types are available.






I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2016, 02:14:30 PM »
Used to own on of these (thinking of buying another at some point) which could be upgraded through buying kits quite easily to a full blown race gun for IPSC competition shooting.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2016, 03:02:11 PM »
I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?


That's because it looks like Aoshima is flogging a poor copy of a Marui BB gun, that does look like the Colt.  8)
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2016, 03:28:49 AM »
Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm:  Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2016, 04:07:18 AM »
Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm:  Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle



FAIL!  :)

That rifle in the image you posted is not an L-39 Lahti (click on html to view image and description of this weapon at Wikipedia).

The rifle in that image is actually an Solothurn S-18/100 20mm Anti-Tank Rifle chambered to fire the 20X105B cartridge. 

The Finnish designed L-39 Lahti was chambered to fire the larger 20X138B cartridge that was also used in the Solothurn S-18/1000 (semi-auto fire only) and S-18/1100 (semi-automatic fire and full auto fire capable), Italian Breda and Scotti 20mm anti-aircraft guns as well as the German FlaK 30, FlaK 38, and C-30 20mm anti-aircraft guns. 

By the way, CMK offers that Solothrun S-18/100 in 1:35th scale as a resin accessory/detail item if you are interested. 

I picked up a couple as it is unique and unusual.  Just wish there was an injection molded plastic Solothurn S-18/1000 available in 1:35th scale.  Criel Models (Italy) used to offer one in resin but they are now OOB and it was a bit anemic looking (have two in the stash waiting to be exploited). 


***edit to fix the html and obvious sentence structure errors :(
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2016, 02:28:08 AM »
Fair enough.  Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2016, 04:54:53 AM »
Fair enough.  Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2016, 08:03:37 PM »
Fair enough.  Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)

Bugger that! Mount it on a sidecar! :)
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2016, 11:04:21 PM »
Fair enough.  Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)
Bugger that! Mount it on a sidecar! :)

The larger Solothurn S-18/1000 did come with a two wheel mount/carriage that could be towed or hauled by several soldiers.  The trails rotated to lock the barrel in place and a "T-Bar" was attached to the gun barrel and used to pull the weapon. 

This thumbnail image from Wikipedia shows some of the details:

See the larger image at the source page
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2016, 03:33:26 PM »
I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?


That's because it looks like Aoshima is flogging a poor copy of a Marui BB gun, that does look like the Colt.  8)
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU

The venerable 1911 has been made - and is still being made in a huge range of variants. Details differ but the way they work on the inside is the same.

This one has a heavy barrel and no barrel bushing:

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 06:13:16 PM »
How about the whole Caseless Ammunition rabbithole, with the potential for heavier belt-fed support weapons?



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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 09:22:16 PM »
This is a great Youtube channel and website for obscure and interesting guns:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2016, 05:34:09 AM »
Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm:  Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle




Ah, for someone who spent a good part of his military time carrying a M60 and MAG-58 GPMG, you know where you can keep that Lahti L-39 GTX  ;)

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2016, 08:22:27 PM »
M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood.  Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.

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Re: Small Arms
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 09:34:34 PM »
M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood.  Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.

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