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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #425 on: November 11, 2020, 05:56:43 AM »
Oh yeah!!!



Amusing, but the V-tail is way too small.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #426 on: November 11, 2020, 08:58:25 AM »
I have to agree with Jon, that V-tail is way too small.  Perhaps use half of a F-101 horizontal tail for each leg of the V?  That's just a first thought, it may yet need larger surfaces than that.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #427 on: November 12, 2020, 06:45:09 PM »
That's a lot of airplane for no BVR missile capability.
Well, the F-4F was a stopgap solution to begin with due to the delays in the Tornado program, and as the version of the Tornado the Luftwaffe was considering did not include BVR capability they did not want to pay for that in an interim aircraft either. MDD was probably anxious to cut the costs (and thus sales price) anyway in order not to have Luftwaffe buy eg. Viggen (of course, Luftwaffe did not need to tell them that they did not want another single-engined aircraft, no matter how cheap) or Jaguar instead.

That does not of course explain the other half of the order, which was used in dedicated air-to-air role, but as it was supposed to supplant the attrition of the F-104 force, the capability was replaced like-for-like.

The cynic would say that this was how the acquisition was sold to the politicians, as in a few years Maverick capability was (re-)added and in less than ten years the Luftwaffe would initiate the ICE program which actually modernized the F-4F's beyond any US Phantoms (APG-65 radar, the same as F/A-18, and AMRAAM capability, among many other improvements).

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #428 on: July 11, 2021, 01:46:16 AM »

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #429 on: July 11, 2021, 02:08:43 AM »

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2021, 03:10:48 PM »
Super swept Phantom



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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #431 on: December 12, 2021, 03:42:04 PM »
USN and USMC Hybrid F-4K to operate off life extended Essex Class carriers in the CVS and a new CVA(M) configuration.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #432 on: January 05, 2022, 08:02:03 PM »
Study for a single engine F-4 Phantom.



Engine does not have to be necessarily Volvo RM8. I think more in an upscaled version of EJ200

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #433 on: April 13, 2022, 03:03:39 AM »
Model of F-4E for ROCAF.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #434 on: April 15, 2022, 03:26:40 AM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #435 on: April 15, 2022, 10:37:14 AM »


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #436 on: August 05, 2022, 03:15:14 PM »
T-tailed Phantom with a british touch. ;)


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #437 on: August 16, 2022, 11:22:30 AM »
German recce Phantom made up with some Alpha Jet bits. Tail fin need some schatch. ;)


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #438 on: August 26, 2022, 04:02:03 AM »
New video trailer from DCS for the OG Rhino: F-4 (F-110) Phantom
DCS (Digital Combat Simulations) > Legends Never Die > F-4E Announcement Trailer





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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #439 on: August 27, 2022, 07:24:47 AM »
New video trailer from DCS for the OG Rhino: F-4 (F-110) Phantom
DCS (Digital Combat Simulations) > Legends Never Die > F-4E Announcement Trailer
*from January, for anyone else who thought it seemed familiar!
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #440 on: September 09, 2022, 12:07:41 PM »
Another IAI speculative product for Argentina to rebuild Air Force: Scaleoramed Phantom.


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #441 on: January 27, 2023, 03:20:46 AM »



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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #442 on: February 25, 2023, 09:17:11 PM »
Did FAA Phantoms ever cross deck to the Clemenceus?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #443 on: February 26, 2023, 02:42:28 AM »
Did FAA Phantoms ever cross deck to the Clemenceus?

Not that I am aware of
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #444 on: March 03, 2023, 06:09:45 AM »
Did FAA Phantoms ever cross deck to the Clemenceus?

Not that I am aware of

Would they be able? I do not think so. ???

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #445 on: March 03, 2023, 05:52:39 PM »
The Clems were too small size-wise for the F-4, also the catapults did not have enough power. Even the F-8 had to be specifically modified to be able to operate from them (higher maximum incidence of the variable-incidence wing, blown flaps, greater flap and slat angles).

Charles de Gaulle is however fully cross-compatible - the catapults are actually American, though lower-powered than on American carriers, so Superbugs would have to take off at less than maximum take-off weight. Normally this would not even be an issue - since bringback weight is far less than take-off weight and smart weapons are expensive (ie. unused ordnance cannot be dumped into sea en masse as was common with iron bombs), planes routinely sortie with the minimum necessary loadout even in combat operations.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #446 on: March 22, 2023, 01:47:24 PM »
Phrenchiphied Phantom


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #447 on: April 21, 2023, 05:23:50 PM »
With the Mirages essentially being light combatants, perhaps a French version of the F-4E as a heavy fighter?  ATAR 9K50s replacing J79s, the twin DEFA installation the Israelis trialed instead of the M61m either a probe plugged into the flying boom receptacle to use probe and drogue refueling or a switch to the retractible probe USN Pahmtoms used.  Radar coule either remain SU-source or Thompson-CSF could develop a version of an existing radar to fit.  On the outboard hardpoints, Matra JL100 combined rocket pod and feul tank units, centerline using Matra's combined fuel tank and MER installation with other French hardware on the inboard stores pylons.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #448 on: April 22, 2023, 02:41:07 AM »
With the Mirages essentially being light combatants, perhaps a French version of the F-4E as a heavy fighter?  ATAR 9K50s replacing J79s, the twin DEFA installation the Israelis trialed instead of the M61m either a probe plugged into the flying boom receptacle to use probe and drogue refueling or a switch to the retractible probe USN Pahmtoms used.  Radar coule either remain SU-source or Thompson-CSF could develop a version of an existing radar to fit.  On the outboard hardpoints, Matra JL100 combined rocket pod and feul tank units, centerline using Matra's combined fuel tank and MER installation with other French hardware on the inboard stores pylons.

Not that far fetched.  In March of 1963, McDonnell had tried to interest the RAAF in a version of the F-4C (Model 98DX) powered by a pair of French-built SNECMA Atar 9 turbojets. This engine was picked because it powered the Dassault Mirage IIIO fighters that were already being flown by the RAAF.

And once again for inspiration:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #449 on: April 22, 2023, 03:53:32 AM »
With the Mirages essentially being light combatants, perhaps a French version of the F-4E as a heavy fighter?  ATAR 9K50s replacing J79s, the twin DEFA installation the Israelis trialed instead of the M61m either a probe plugged into the flying boom receptacle to use probe and drogue refueling or a switch to the retractible probe USN Pahmtoms used.  Radar coule either remain SU-source or Thompson-CSF could develop a version of an existing radar to fit.  On the outboard hardpoints, Matra JL100 combined rocket pod and feul tank units, centerline using Matra's combined fuel tank and MER installation with other French hardware on the inboard stores pylons.

Not that far fetched.  In March of 1963, McDonnell had tried to interest the RAAF in a version of the F-4C (Model 98DX) powered by a pair of French-built SNECMA Atar 9 turbojets. This engine was picked because it powered the Dassault Mirage IIIO fighters that were already being flown by the RAAF.

And once again for inspiration:


I think I have most of the bits and pieces to build that one.  On the flip side, that would also give me a couple J79-powered Mirage F.1's.