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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2012, 11:23:38 PM »
A heavier version with three engines?
Only if you're enlarging the existing intakes to handle the needed increased airflow or are adding another intake or set of intakes (see, for example, the proposed 3-engined Vigilante).

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2012, 02:22:13 AM »

A heavier version with three engines?

Interesting concept!
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2012, 02:59:46 AM »

4. USAF procurement of the F-8 Crusader, possibly with a J-79 and a Vulcan?

Mmmm.... :-*

Maybe also USAF A-6 Intruders in the strike role?


Distinct possibility...

However, another "no Phantom" scenario I've considered is "it's a Phantom Jim but not as we know it". In this version, the A-6 gets bogged down in unsolvable avionics difficulties and is cancelled before it enters service. This causes a huge scandal, ends the careers of those officers pushing for a sophisticated attack plane, and causes a change of USN policy towards a more general-purpose big, fast striker like the F-105. The Thud itself would never be carrier compatible, but MacDonnell just happened to be trying to find a niche for it's new big "fighter" by calling it the AH-1 at the time, so the Phantom WAS adopted, but in the form of a sort of "Super-Skyhawk", with a small radar, single seat, 4 x 20mm, flat 6-pylon wing, flat tailplanes and no missile bays.

The AH-1 Phantom effectively displaced the Skyhawks onto the smaller Essex class carriers, and meant that the A-7 Corsair never happened either. Big carriers now operated updated A-5 Vigilantes (in an expanded conventional role) for long-range attack/recce/tanker functions, AH-1s for heavy attack and F-8U-3 Super-Crusaders as fighters. Essexs operated orignal F-8s and Skyhawks.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2012, 04:02:39 AM »
I like that one, Weaver, though I think aerodynamics might push the bent wings and anhedral tailplanes anyway.  Still, that would be a rather different looking McD product.  As an alternative, the demise of the Intruder sees the USN buying the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell getting the US rights to build it.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2012, 05:54:11 PM »
Dedicated ground attack F-4 proposals:


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 01:50:57 PM »
Phantom updates anyone?




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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 07:51:41 PM »
2nd from the top is my favourite.
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I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2012, 03:47:58 AM »
Random Idea:  F-4 Phantom in Ukrainian markings
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2012, 03:52:17 AM »
Another random idea:  Indian Air Force or Indian Navy F-4s???
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2012, 01:47:02 AM »
Yet another random idea:  RAF F-4 FGR.2 serving in the 1991 Gulf War (by keeping the aircraft in service a tad longer or even slide the war forward a couple of years) and in the desert pink scheme worn by the RAF tornadoes and Buccs and also adorned with appropriate nose art...

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2012, 01:03:13 AM »
"MiG Eater" F-4?
cool!

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2012, 12:38:48 PM »
Phantom updates anyone?







Nice work of faceting Greg!!
Also very impressed with the massive conformal tank/sensor arrangement!! Would this hold internally stored AIM-120 AMRAAM's??

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2012, 02:24:47 AM »

Also very impressed with the massive conformal tank/sensor arrangement!! Would this hold internally stored AIM-120 AMRAAM's??

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I believe it was for fuel only...specifically 1,100 US gal (4,230 L).

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2012, 03:06:07 AM »
some manufacturers display models of F.4C exports ...

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2012, 11:28:10 PM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2012, 07:41:48 AM »
Don't forget the 'swinger' F-4's:







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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2012, 01:49:36 AM »
Extra engined Soviet Phantom  :o


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2012, 03:15:08 AM »
^ Mad as a box of frogs!  I love it!

The one-piece canopy is just inspired! Would look the dog's danglies for a modernized F-4, especially when coupled with the one-piece windscreen.  :)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 05:57:02 AM »
Argentine F-4S

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 05:58:56 AM »
Very nice camouflage scheme.  Is that the Italeri or Hasegawa F-4 kit?   
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2012, 06:30:56 AM »
Nice indeed.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2012, 09:56:10 PM »
Italeri 1/72nd.
I also built alongside it an Italeri 1/72nd F-4(E)S for the RDAF....basically an F-4S but I added some length tp the noce with plasticard and filler.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 12:09:16 AM »



To fix the problem with F-111 cockpit width: longer fuselage ...


... or broader fuselage. But then ... add a 3rd J-79. 8) Two posibilities.