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Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« on: May 27, 2016, 10:04:27 PM »
Stumbled on this. AVX OH-58F+






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Re: OH-58 Kiowa
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 01:47:26 AM »
Convert OH-58D's to OQH-58D's, using a lot of MQ-8C hardware and design?  There was also Bell's OH-58F proposal which added a more powerful engine (essentially transplanting a lot from late-model Bell 407's) and used a new sensor turret under the nose.  At least one demonstrator with uprated engine flew (I had a very small part in designing that when I first came to Bell).
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Re: OH-58 Kiowa
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 02:37:43 AM »
Hey, Carl how about we rename this thread to something along the lines of OH-58, Bell 206/407 etc. and related.
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Re: OH-58 Kiowa
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2016, 02:47:07 AM »
Sure thing Jeff Jon.
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 02:54:41 AM »
Thanks, Curl.  ;D
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 03:00:47 AM »
Sorry Jon. I always get major brain malfunction when it comes to you and Jeff. 
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 03:07:39 AM »
What about a 607 with a NOTAR or ducted rotor?
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 07:02:55 AM »
Quote from: The Big Gimper on May 28, 2016, 03:00:47 AM
Sorry Jon. I always get major brain malfunction when it comes to you and Jeff.


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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2016, 07:16:45 AM »
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on May 28, 2016, 07:02:55 AM
Quote from: The Big Gimper on May 28, 2016, 03:00:47 AM
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2016, 11:30:34 AM »
BTW, AVX was founded by a number of disaffected former Bell employees.  The upper management type responsible for their disaffection has since "decided to move on to new challenges".

Biggest problem I see with their proposal is that you are going to need a radically new transmission to handle the new demands and I question just how large that's going to be, unless you are also going to fly-by-wire controls for the rotors.
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2016, 02:36:18 PM »
Isn't moving the sighting unit from mast top to chin a downgrade, really? The whole idea with the mast-mounted sight being that you do not need to expose the rest of the chopper, but can hover behind treeline with only the sight visible?
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2016, 07:25:27 PM »
That was the idea when the main theatre of deployment was Northern Europe.  The locations where they have actually been used have shown that it's not a useful concept in much of the world, hence the US Army's desire/request for an under-nose mounting.
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2016, 10:18:39 PM »


MQ-8C, when you just don't want to mask.
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2016, 11:20:34 PM »
Mini-Tat trials circa 1981

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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2016, 05:13:57 AM »
Nice photo, though that might get messy if they don't retract before landing
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2017, 01:43:23 PM »
Really an ASW variant.
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Re: Bell 206, 407, TH-57, OH-58, TH-67, CH-139 Kiowa Family
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