Author Topic: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives (Read 25035 times)

GTX_Admin · « **on:** June 09, 2012, 04:44:26 AM »

Hi folks,

A thread for your Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivative ideas and inspiration.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2012, 04:45:17 AM »

To start with, for anyone who has considered a carrier based P-80, may I direct you here.

Regards,

Greg

finsrin · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2012, 05:40:15 AM »

Love that fantastic painting.

raafif · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2012, 09:50:10 AM »

prone-pilot experiment ...

apophenia · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2012, 10:31:44 AM »

I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.

jcf · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2012, 01:19:33 PM »

L-159 'Cruise' missile proposal:

finsrin · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2012, 01:48:48 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on June 09, 2012, 10:31:44 AM

I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.

I remember Skyfox from back in 1980s. Nifty good looking jet. One was built.
Be cool personal sport jet today with contemporary engines.

elmayerle · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2012, 02:07:33 PM »

Quote from: finsrin on June 09, 2012, 01:48:48 PM

Quote from: apophenia on June 09, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.

I remember Skyfox from back in 1980s. Nifty good looking jet. One was built.
Be cool personal sport jet today with contemporary engines.

All you'd need would be modern TFE731 engines installed and equipment upgraded to today's standards. Everything else would work nicely. I like the idea of a single-seat attack version with nose guns.

Note, if you were to try and do a Skyfox in 1/48, the engine nacelles out of the Hasegawa/Revell Mystere are perfect.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2012, 10:59:32 PM »

Sort of a ''Pre-Dragon Lady" with enlarged air intakes and longer wings, modified RF nose.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2012, 02:53:27 AM »

The Cruise missile would be tempting to build.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2012, 02:58:21 AM »

Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

arkon · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2012, 05:45:00 AM »

i beleive the skyfox was used in an episode of airwolf as a top secret fighter jet.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2012, 06:27:39 AM »

Large T-33 tip tanks, under wing mini guns, and service in the Middle East/Africa.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2012, 06:48:29 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 10, 2012, 02:58:21 AM

Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

I'm sure I read somewhere a model manufacturer was going to produce one, but I just can't find the reference. It might have been in one of the news letters I get from various websites.

dy031101 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2012, 07:26:08 AM »

Say...... what if we throw the Skyfox upgrade into the rocket-armed F-94C?

finsrin · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2012, 08:31:14 AM »

Quote from: dy031101 on October 22, 2012, 07:26:08 AM

Say...... what if we throw the Skyfox upgrade into the rocket-armed F-94C?

Interesting concept. I like it. :)

elmayerle · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2012, 01:33:04 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 10, 2012, 02:58:21 AM

Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

In 1/48 scale, the engine nacelles from the Hasegawa/Revell Falcon kit are perfect for this conversion because Skyfox used the same supplier.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #17 on:** April 28, 2013, 12:38:00 PM »

A very interesting propeller driven What-If based on the F-80 Shooting Star built by Kees Kuyper and shared at ARC: ------> The Lockheed T-30

Click on html or thumbnail to view the model

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2013, 05:10:16 PM »

Wow! Invited? :)

raafif · « **Reply #19 on:** April 29, 2013, 05:26:30 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on April 28, 2013, 05:10:16 PM

Wow! Invited? :)

careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #20 on:** April 29, 2013, 05:48:36 PM »

I'm willing to be tested...

elmayerle · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2013, 12:54:14 AM »

Quote from: raafif on April 29, 2013, 05:26:30 AM

careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ?

For this group? You jest!!

Rickshaw · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2013, 10:09:21 AM »

Quote from: raafif on April 29, 2013, 05:26:30 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on April 28, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Wow! Invited? :)

careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ?

I doubt it.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #23 on:** November 10, 2013, 03:44:07 AM »

Academy 1:48th scale Lockheed T-33 converted to a T2V Sea Star by Wilfried Eck at Modellversium.De

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #24 on:** December 25, 2013, 12:45:19 PM »

P-80 hybrid propulsion

finsrin · « **Reply #25 on:** December 25, 2013, 06:17:19 PM »

Cool

I like it. Nice to do in styrene.

Weaver · « **Reply #26 on:** December 25, 2013, 07:46:05 PM »

That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?

Silver Fox · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2013, 05:36:03 AM »

Skyfox was shown to the Canadian Forces, stopping at several bases.

It would be nice to do one up as a 414 (EW) Sqdn CE-133, but using the tiptank mounts for Growler-style EW pods. Maybe have them self powered using the turbine from an ALQ pod (the type regular T-birds carried)?

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #28 on:** December 26, 2013, 06:20:53 AM »

Quote from: Weaver on December 25, 2013, 07:46:05 PM

That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?

Or P-51 style

elmayerle · « **Reply #29 on:** December 26, 2013, 07:55:09 AM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on December 26, 2013, 06:20:53 AM

Quote from: Weaver on December 25, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?
Or P-51 style

I'd go with a minimum-change conversion and use F-94-style gun pods; redesigning the wing to stick guns in would be an expensive pain and definitely cut down on rage by eliminating the wing tanks.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #30 on:** December 29, 2013, 06:57:16 AM »

With P-80 or T-33 1/72 and Intruder 1/100

Kerick · « **Reply #31 on:** December 29, 2013, 02:18:32 PM »

Great idea!

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #32 on:** December 29, 2013, 09:05:02 PM »

^^^^ Thanks
BTW: Last one looks like a small Lansen, no?

Silver Fox · « **Reply #33 on:** December 30, 2013, 03:40:58 AM »

I KNEW it reminded me of something... yep, it looks like a Lansen in plan form.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #34 on:** December 31, 2013, 03:51:48 AM »

Swept wings P-80

dy031101 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 01, 2014, 04:34:47 AM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on December 29, 2013, 06:57:16 AM

With P-80 or T-33 1/72 and Intruder 1/100

It actually reminds me of Saab 32 (which I always felt to be what a faster, reinvented P-80 might look like)......

jcf · « **Reply #36 on:** January 01, 2014, 05:44:50 AM »

CL352, Seastar based interceptor, Sparrow and Sidewinder.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #37 on:** January 01, 2014, 06:14:57 AM »

Thanks Jon.

The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?

elmayerle · « **Reply #38 on:** January 01, 2014, 07:22:38 AM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on January 01, 2014, 06:14:57 AM

The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?

I don't know that it's that scaled down either, since the two aircraft are pretty much the same size. I think the wings may stem from the same data as the F-90's so one could be scaled from the other (much as the F404 and F110 share similar nozzle contours, just scaled differently). I do remember reading that the P-80E started with a T-33 fuselage and went to a single-seat cockpit and canopy while keeping the extra length.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #39 on:** January 01, 2014, 08:00:12 AM »

I love the VG wing (and tail) one.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #40 on:** January 01, 2014, 08:24:15 AM »

Via jcf:

RF-80 nose. Early Skunkworks recce drone.

Silver Fox · « **Reply #41 on:** January 01, 2014, 11:39:13 AM »

P-80E using a T-Bird fuse would let you move the avionics to the rear and mount all the guns. Best of both worlds. :)

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #42 on:** January 02, 2014, 09:19:44 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on January 01, 2014, 07:22:38 AM

Quote from: The Big Gimper on January 01, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?
I don't know that it's that scaled down either, since the two aircraft are pretty much the same size. I think the wings may stem from the same data as the F-90's so one could be scaled from the other (much as the F404 and F110 share similar nozzle contours, just scaled differently). I do remember reading that the P-80E started with a T-33 fuselage and went to a single-seat cockpit and canopy while keeping the extra length.

For the P-80E, I've set aside a P-80, T-33 and a F-94C. What about the wings. The degrees of sweep back appears to be about 20-25^o. But for the life of me I cannot find a protractor. Any suggestions on a donor kit? The big issue will be the main gear and its inward retraction. The Heller Saab Lansen comes to mind.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #43 on:** January 04, 2014, 08:33:48 PM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on December 31, 2013, 03:51:48 AM

Swept wings P-80

I took my Revell G.91 and was able to attach the tail. A very good fit with a bit of PSR. But the G.91 wings are too small. It appears that in the drawing that they have been scaled up by 5-10%. So the current kit wings are too small. So I'll use F-86 wings cut back by 1/4" or so.

Pictures will be provided later today.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #44 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:03:19 AM »

Random Idea:

RAF P-80s instead of the dH Vampire…and painted like this:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 06, 2014, 03:19:21 AM »

The Canadian T-33's went through a spell with that camo', so not too far fetched is it ---

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=64&pg=12

Silver Fox · « **Reply #46 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:47:30 AM »

133450... I know that old girl! :)

Back when Canadian-based T-Birds were still wearing natural metal the birds assigned to Germany wore camo. There would always be one camo bird in North Bay, we did the heavy maintenance checks for Germany.

finsrin · « **Reply #47 on:** January 06, 2014, 09:56:12 AM »

This entire thread is awesome. Love the straight and swept planviews and ideas all of you come up with

kitnut617 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 22, 2020, 11:56:10 PM »

Here's something from SPF that is very interesting --- something I just have to make a model of ----

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #49 on:** March 23, 2020, 12:22:12 AM »

Noice!

I'll challenge you to a race on this one Robert?

Stabilizers need not be same as photo?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 23, 2020, 01:15:15 AM »

When do you want to start

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2020, 02:42:15 AM »

How about tomorrow at 12 PM EDT / 10 AM MDT?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 23, 2020, 03:02:08 AM »

OK

kitnut617 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 23, 2020, 03:52:37 AM »

The kits I'm going to use have been sourced ---- and I'm ready to go ---

elmayerle · « **Reply #54 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:22:10 AM »

The verticals look like they could be sourced from a smaller scale Constellation kit.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:08:32 AM »

A definite possibility Evan ----

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:15:13 AM »

or not ....

Frank3k · « **Reply #57 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:29:37 AM »

That twin tail T-33 is screaming to be built!

Unfortunately, the cheapest, in stock, non-ebay Constellation is $20... steep for just the fins.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #58 on:** April 24, 2022, 02:50:13 AM »

finsrin · « **Reply #59 on:** April 24, 2022, 06:52:38 AM »

want to build

apophenia · « **Reply #60 on:** April 24, 2022, 09:42:57 AM »

For more details, check out https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-l-181-fighter-p-80d-p-80e.22855/

The L-181-2 (P-80D) was basically a single-seat T-33 with a P-80 canopy. Obviously, the L-181-1 (P-80E) also needs swept wings. I wonder if modifyinf Me 262 wings for a slightly greater sweep angle would work?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 24, 2022, 08:52:01 PM »

It looks more like the rear end of an F-94C with a F-80 front end.

I've got a T2V Seastar prototype conversion build going (slowly), I've used the bits from a F-94B rear keeping the canopy but raised the rear of the cockpit. then added the nose of an F-80.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #62 on:** April 25, 2022, 01:13:08 AM »

Here are a few of my previous P-80 builds:

https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4217.msg67184#msg67184

https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6501.msg111092#msg111092

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #63 on:** September 13, 2022, 02:55:22 PM »

P-80 with oval intake and 2 x 30mm guns


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Author Topic: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives (Read 25035 times)