Dash-8 Ideas and Inspiration

[The Big Gimper]

More information at CASR.

Source: Twitter - Stephen Priestley ‏@casr_ca  ISR #Aircraft: Replace CP-140M Aurora in #Iraq with #Bombardier Dash 8 ? #CdnPoli #CdnEcon

[apophenia]

Thanks Carl!  Some other Dash 8 stuff ...

RAAF Project Wairi ... more sensor-carrying Dash 8s
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4345.msg70105#msg70105

CA-142 Gonzo Gunship
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8198#msg8198

From Gonzo to Glory
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=840.msg8497#msg8497

Does anyone know if aeroplaneDriver ever finished his Dash 8-based Triton MRA.1?
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1032.0

[elmayerle]

Following a Boeing concept from when they owned DHC, a Dash 8/V-22 cross.  Got all the "goodies" for this one.

[kitnut617]

This is something I've been working on (well, that was before my house move 8 years ago    been in the moving box ever since) .
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It will get Grumman E-2 props and be amphibian and be in Canadian Coast Guard colours.

[The Big Gimper]

Thanks Carl!  Some other Dash 8 stuff ...

RAAF Project Wairi ... more sensor-carrying Dash 8s
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4345.msg70105#msg70105

CA-142 Gonzo Gunship
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8198#msg8198

From Gonzo to Glory
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=840.msg8497#msg8497

Does anyone know if aeroplaneDriver ever finished his Dash 8-based Triton MRA.1?
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1032.0

Thanks for researching and collating this data apophenia.

[Daryl J.]

Two words:
Tundra Tires!

[The Big Gimper]

That would be too funny.

Bounce and bounce and bounce .....

[Gingie]

This is something I've been working on (well, that was before my house move 8 years ago    been in the moving box ever since) .
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It will get Grumman E-2 props and be amphibian and be in Canadian Coast Guard colours.

Wubba lubba dub dub!!! LOVE IT!!

So much can be done with that Dash 8!

[The Big Gimper]

All this great discussion has got me thinking on what the Dash-8 needs?

Any ideas? XM Satellite Radio? Keyless trunk entry? Heated seats? LED turn signals? Dual cup holders? Give up? New engines!!  :)

So here we have the Dash-9.  I am replacing the PW120A/PW121 engine with the General Electric TF34-GE-2 turbofan with 9,275 lbf. Engines are from a S-3.

The maximum takeoff weight of the Dash-8 is 36,300 lb. The maximum takeoff weight of the S-3 is 52,539 lb. Lots of power to spare. The main landing gear will be moved to fuselage sponsons.  And then I'll add all other fiddly bits to make a it MPA or some other long range resource.

Please filter out the the nacelle bits. I'll cut those off when I am ready to build this kit.









Note that I used my patented IAOFTABSAFTTROAMMFTPOACTCPFALTPABOBM.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Needs some wing sweep, otherwise it just looks like a slow jet to Ottowa :)

[finsrin]

Needs some wing sweep, otherwise it just looks like a slow jet to Ottowa :)

Like Viking wings & engines ?

[The Big Gimper]

Interesting ideas but I am keeping the design changes to a minimum. The equivalent analogy would be the S-2 going from piston to turbo engine. 

And as long a the Dash-9 is faster than the fishing trawlers or subs it will be chasing all is good.

[GTX_Admin]

Give it some podded RR Pegasus ala Do-31...

[Kerick]

The GE TF34-GE-2 turbofans are a real natural for this idea. Don't worry about wing sweep, the long thin wings means endurance>

[Gingie]

I am replacing the PW120A/PW121 engine with the General Electric TF34-GE-2 turbofan with 9,275 lbf. Engines are from a S-3.

When I read that, an DASH-AN-72 popped into my head

[kitnut617]

This is something I've been working on (well, that was before my house move 8 years ago    been in the moving box ever since) .
---- 

It will get Grumman E-2 props and be amphibian and be in Canadian Coast Guard colours.

Wubba lubba dub dub!!! LOVE IT!!

So much can be done with that Dash 8!

Thanks, another one which I really have to get finished.  The floats come from the XC-47C conversion (their TO weights are close for my purpose) and the main float pylons are wings from a Chipmunk (just cut in half for the front and back ones)

[The Big Gimper]

De Havilland brand to fly again after sale by Bombardier

The De Havilland brand will take flight once again, as its parent company announced the re-launch of the Dash 8 aircraft program following its newly minted purchase from Bombardier Inc.

Longview Aviation Capital Corp. unveiled the de Havilland Aircraft of Canada Ltd., its new subsidiary that will operate the turboprop family from the Downsview Plant in Toronto where the de Havilland brand became established in Canada.

The sale also includes the de Havilland trademark and Bombardier's full Dash 8 program, composed of the 100, 200 and 300 series, all turboprop regional jets which seat 40 to 90 passengers.

BC-based Longview's subsidiary Viking Air Ltd. makes turboprop aircraft such as the Twin Otter and the Beaver, workhorses of the Canadian North, as well as holding the rights to all out-of-production de Havilland aircraft.

Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/de-havilland-brand-to-fly-again-after-sale-by-bombardier-1.5160496

[kitnut617]

But not the Q400 ? 

[The Big Gimper]

The Q400 is included. From Viking:

Longview Aviation Capital Corp., parent company to Viking Air Limited, a leading Canadian aircraft manufacturer, today agreed to acquire, through an affiliate, the entire Dash 8 program including the 100, 200 and 300 series and the in-production Q400 program from Bombardier Inc. Also included as part of the transaction are rights to the de Havilland name and trademark in an all-Canadian transaction.

Source: https://www.vikingair.com/company-careers/media-centre/longview-aviation-capital-corp-agrees-acquire-dash-8-program-bombardier

[kitnut617]

When I was working at YYC, the Viking hanger at the south end, were mostly involved with the Canadair CL-215/415 too. Looks like they've taken on a huge slice of Canadian produced aircraft.

[apophenia]

Or put another way ... subsidizing Bombardier has really paid off for Canadian rate-payers, hasn't it?

[jcf]

Or put another way ... subsidizing Bombardier has really paid off for Canadian rate-payers, hasn't it?

It'll be even better with the pending sale of the CRJ to Mitsubishi. 

[elmayerle]

Okay, then, how soon before they sell off Learjet?

[apophenia]

It'll be even better with the pending sale of the CRJ to Mitsubishi. 

Oh, things are just getting better and better   

[GTX_Admin]

Random idea:  Gunship version

[apophenia]

Random idea:  Gunship version

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8198#msg8198   

[GTX_Admin]

 

[The Rat]

FLYING BOAT! It's kind of a fetish of mine, perhaps because Dad flew PBYs and Sunderlands.

[elmayerle]

FLYING BOAT! It's kind of a fetish of mine, perhaps because Dad flew PBYs and Sunderlands.

Invert the nacelles and move them to the top of the wing for better spray clearance?  Perhaps use a H8K1 Emily fuselage in 1/144 with a 1/72 Dash-8 as a starting point?

[kitnut617]

FLYING BOAT!

Check out Reply #4 Dave, closest I got to it ---

Here's a couple of other photos of it (it still has to be finished though    )

[GTX_Admin]

Possible inspiration:

[The Big Gimper]

Where did you get this?  Never seen this before.

[GTX_Admin]

Where did you get this?  Never seen this before.

Its a secret...

[The Big Gimper]

Where did you get this?  Never seen this before.

Its a secret...

Fine! Be that way.

[GTX_Admin]

Well, I will tell you..but only you...so don't share it with anyone.

It is a concept from an Australian Company called Tigerfish Aviation (I think they went bust though).  I picked up a brochure from them about a decade ago which is where the images came from.  You can see more on the concept in the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDg37UuNxMg

[The Big Gimper]

Pretty cool. Just watched the video. Couldn't source enough funding to keep afloat? 

Longview should pick up the rights.

[ericr]

lovely !

[The Rat]

FLYING BOAT!

Check out Reply #4 Dave, closest I got to it ---

Here's a couple of other photos of it (it still has to be finished though    )

 

[The Big Gimper]

News release
February 19, 2021

St. John’s, NL - Fishery officers require state-of-the-art aerial surveillance equipment to continue the important work they conduct protecting Canada’s marine resources, ensuring compliance with fisheries management measures and enforcing the Fisheries Act from coast to coast to coast.

In 2019, Fisheries and Oceans Canada announced a five-year, $128 million contract with PAL Aerospace-located in St. John’s, to deliver a new fleet of four aerial surveillance aircrafts, including two long-range maritime patrol aircrafts. When operational, the planes will fly out of three bases of operation: St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador; Halifax, Nova Scotia; and a brand new facility in Campbell River, British Columbia.

Full article is here: https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-launches-new-aircraft-to-improve-conservation-and-protection-of-our-oceans.html

[The Big Gimper]

De Havilland Canada to pause Dash 8 production at Downsview

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Ltd. is planning to pause production of its staple Dash 8-400 turboprop at its Toronto-based Downsview facility once orders for the type this year are built. The decision is in response to the current industry conditions, which “have hindered the ability to confirm new aircraft sales,” the company said in a press release. The production pause will affect approximately 500 employees.

“This is a responsible and prudent measure . . . and will limit strain on the market and De Havilland Canada’s supply base as the pandemic recovery occurs.”

Full article is here: https://skiesmag.com/news/de-havilland-canada-pause-dash-8-production-downsview/

[The Big Gimper]

PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada Announce MOU to Develop Dash 8 P-4 Special Mission Aircraft

St. John’s, NL and Toronto, ON, February 25, 2021 – PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Limited (“De Havilland Canada”) today announced the establishment of a Memorandum of Understanding (“MOU”) to jointly pursue the development of a fully missionized Dash 8-400 aircraft, called the “Dash 8 P-4” for maritime patrol (“MPA”), intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (“ISR”), as well as other applications. Modified with auxiliary fuel tanks, the Dash 8 P-4 will have superior range, endurance, and time-on-station.
...

PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada believe there exists a significant global market for missionized turboprop aircraft, especially in the MPA and ISR market. The unique capabilities the Dash 8-400 platform, in combination with PAL Aerospace’s demonstrated global capability as a full-service provider of specialized aircraft modification, technology integration and special missions operation, delivers a unique value proposition for clients looking for leading edge MPA and ISR programs. PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada are currently working together to offer a comprehensive Dash 8 P-4 MPA solution for the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s ongoing maritime surveillance aircraft procurement.
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Press release is here: https://dehavilland.com/en/news/posts/pal-aerospace-and-de-havilland-canada-announce-mou-to-develop-dash-8-p-4-special-mission-aircraft

[GTX_Admin]

Basically akin to the multiple Fokkers, ATRs and CASA MPAs around the world.

[apophenia]

Basically akin to the multiple Fokkers, ATRs and CASA MPAs around the world.

Yeah, it's getting to be a crowded field ... even just for Q400-based systems. That PAL concept goes back to at least 2015 (with both MPA and coast guard proposals being made). In the past, Field Aviation proposed a Q400 derivative for Canada's FWSAR contest - complete with long-range pannier tanks, MAD stinger, belly radar, refuelling probe, etc. Field later put forward its P400 concept (IAI/Elta EL/I-3360 and EL/M-2022 platform ... although there were other sensor suite options).

Cascade Aerospace does Q400 cargo and air tanker conversions but were also involved with L-3's Q400 MPA program. The first L-3 Mission Integration Division Q400 proposal was an unsolicited MRA offering to the UK as a Nimrod MR.4A program replacement. For that, L-3 was joined by Marshall Aerospace and Defence, Cascade, Selex ES, and Ultra Electronics (the latter two supplying Seaspray 7500 search as well as Eagle wide-angle radar and sonobuoys, respectively). L-3's Multi-Mission Q400 with optional belly 'canoe' sensor fairing followed.

[The Rat]

That's a very striking scheme.