Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on April 14, 2012, 06:26:45 AM
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Hi folks,
A place for your Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ALT%20RAN%20FAA/F-106_Red_Bulls.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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To start with, how about an Israeli F-106?
Regards,
Greg
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I've done 20 profiles of the F-106 over the years, including 2 IDF examples.
Regads,
John
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I've done 20 profiles of the F-106 over the years, including 2 IDF examples.
Regads,
John
Well, post them on the forum then.
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The AIR-2 Genie capability would make any such sale politically sensitive... but if the weapons bay could be modified to be non-Genie capable? Why not?
IIAF would make a nice bird (same issues as above), a precursor to the F-14 as an interceptor.
Of course, a CF-106 (powered by the PS-13 Iroquois) would be a natural. :)
The ultimate 'Six' might be found by adding diverterless intakes, putting a modern engine into the bay, upgrading the avionics/cockpit, adding a modern IRST system and fitting the weapons bay for AMRAAM. She wouldn't dogfight, but as an interceptor she would be as good today as she was in 1970.
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Here's the two Israeli examples along with one of the 'developed' variants suggested by Kendra:
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Israeli/F-10602.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Israeli/F-10614.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USAF/F-10620.png)
Regards,
John
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Nice John.
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Some more real world inspiration perhaps:
Agressor Proposal:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/XP-65%20etc/aggressor106.jpg)
ASAT trials:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/XP-65%20etc/106asat1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/XP-65%20etc/106asat2.jpg)
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A few more operator suggestions:
Taiwan
Japan
South Korea
West Germany
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The F-106 Detail in Scale book has some nice info on proposed radar upgrades Combine one of those with a modern IRST and an upgraded powerplant (either a later J75 variant or an Iroquois) and the "Porject Six-Shooter" package (frameless canopy and M61 installation) for a still formidable interceptor, especially if the four Falcon racks remaining were replace by two racks for cropped-fin AIM-120 variants.
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NJANG Six Shooter cockpit area with the frameless hood, IRST and front end of the M61 tub visible. Sorry for the grainy photo... air-to-air through a really dirty window. :) Atlantic coast off Atlantic City around 1986.
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Some more real world inspiration perhaps:
ASAT trials:
Looks more like a Standard ARM AGM-78 to me.... ;)
Anyhoo, German & Japanese F-106s (& there were Finnish, RAF, Canadian & French ones as well).
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Germany/F-10603.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Japan/F-10604.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Japan/F-10608.jpg)
Regards,
John
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Hmmm....
Using Project Spike as a starting point, but going a different way... F-106 EW Aggressor. Twin-tub 106 with the fin EW installation of a Raven and the weapons bay converted to use the space for EW gear and a chaff dispenser. Basically a parallel to the process that created the EF-101 that Canada leased (101067). The pylons let you carry pods, tanks or chaff tanks.
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I made this out of an old Arii 1/144 F-106:
(http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/Images/f102/f102g.jpg)
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Some more real world inspiration perhaps:
ASAT trials:
Looks more like a Standard ARM AGM-78 to me.... ;)
In the '70s trials were done using a modified two stage Standard missile as an ASAT weapon.
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Maybe they were, but that's still a 'standard' ;D length AGM-78.
Regards,
John
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Maybe they were, but that's still a 'standard' ;D length AGM-78.
I agree, whatever the final ASAT version might have looked like, this is a single-stage air-launched Standard airframe. It could have been from the Brazos/AAARM testing.
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I made this out of an old Arii 1/144 F-106:
([url]http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/Images/f102/f102g.jpg[/url])
That's sheer genius Frank :)
F-106 with Viggen wings and F-106X with same and canards
....and bubbletop canopy
Rafa
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Another option might be a strike/ground attack version with the weapons bay used for bombs.
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Another option might be a strike/ground attack version with the weapons bay used for bombs.
Or use the bomb-carrying drop tanks as used by the Mirage III and V. I could see one aircraft mounting th designator while the other aircraft in a flight carried LGBs internally and/or externally.
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One version I've not seen mentioned here, though it was an actual Convair proposal, is the high-valued staff transport capable of carrying four passengers plus the pilot. It's written up in the latest eAPR. I've got a Revellogram 1/48 F-106 earmarked for that, using seats from a 1/48 business jet.
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Another option might be a strike/ground attack version with the weapons bay used for bombs.
Or use the bomb-carrying drop tanks as used by the Mirage III and V. I could see one aircraft mounting th designator while the other aircraft in a flight carried LGBs internally and/or externally.
Perhaps unsprisingly, I've done profiles of each:
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20France/F-10615.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USAF/F-10601.jpg)
Regards,
John
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The sound of the F-106 as it approached was music to my young ears back in the day. We'd see them several times a week. They were either 5th FIS out of Minot AFB or blue-shag carpet equipped MT-ANG 106's out of Great Falls.
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Rafael is right on --- That's sheer genius Frank :)
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Oh yeah!
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I like that really quite an awful lot!!!
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NJANG Six Shooter cockpit area with the frameless hood, IRST and front end of the M61 tub visible. Sorry for the grainy photo... air-to-air through a really dirty window. :) Atlantic coast off Atlantic City around 1986.
Very interesting Silver Fox - especially the frameless hood!!!
I've read the F-106 was a very good dogfighter, for such a large Interceptor!!!
M.A.D
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just to blow your minds ....... F-106 Trimotor !!
http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm (http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm)
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just to blow your minds ....... F-106 Trimotor !!
[url]http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm[/url])
Anyone else instantly think REAL LIFE Colonial Viper from Battlestar upon reading that? 8)
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I've always thought deleting the weapons bay in favor of an internal gun, fuel and avionics with a couple of semi recessed sparrows (2 or 3) in the fuselage forward of the main landing gear. Bought a Hasegawa 1/72 F-106 years ago with this intent.
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just to blow your minds ....... F-106 Trimotor !!
[url]http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm[/url])
Anyone else instantly think REAL LIFE Colonial Viper from Battlestar upon reading that? 8)
Oh yeah!
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Some inspiration:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1937/19789549.jpg)
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More:
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4026/copia4decopiadeconvairf.jpg)
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I thought of a similar thing a few years ago after Concorde was scrapped. I used the cabin / forward fuselage of a Hasegawa 1/48 Learjet and a Revell 1/48 Eurofighter. Unfortunately it never got finished and ended up in the bin !!
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More:
([url]http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4026/copia4decopiadeconvairf.jpg[/url])
Scott covered this in rather more detail in an issue of APR. I've been thinking of doing it in 1/148 using the seats out of a 1/48 Learjet and a Revellogram F-106.
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Wow: you'll be able to tell which side of the plane passengers were seated on by which way their necks are cricked.....
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Random thought: F-106 with AIM-54.
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Another random thought: Taiwanese F-106
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Random thought: F-106 with AIM-54.
Good luck trying to get more than two of those things stuffed in that weapons bay. :)
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I was thinking only 1 or 2.
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Since AIM-54s were rated for external carriage, it'd make more sense to put fuel in the bay and hang the missiles on the wing pylons.
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Probably.
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Random thought: F-106 with AIM-54.
Good luck trying to get more than two of those things stuffed in that weapons bay. :)
I was thinking only 1 or 2.
The Monogram kit certainly does not give you a lot of room to start with. Even more intriguing would be to arm the F-106 with the AIM-26 Super Falcon since it was intended to fit in the same space as the original AIM-4 Falcons. The space allocated for the AIR-2 Genie could also be used to hold an AIM-26 so the load would be then be five instead of four weapons. If you were to arm the F-106 with AIM-54 or AIM-47 missiles then the best option would be to mount the missiles on stores pylons where the wing tanks are located and claim the weapons bay now holds fuel instead of missiles. A quick solution to the problem :).
Another option would be to consider that miniaturization was applied to the AIM-4 and the missile was improved upon during the production run and the end result was a mini-AIM-54 Phoenix clone in size and shape based on applying some scale-o-rama and using 1:72nd scale AIM-54 Phoenix to replace the AIM-4. Claim it as another Falcon derivative that was the result of advancements in weapons technology that resulted in a better missile based on these improvements.
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Another option would be to consider that miniaturization was applied to the AIM-4 and the missile was improved upon during the production run and the end result was a mini-AIM-54 Phoenix clone in size and shape based on applying some scale-o-rama and using 1:72nd scale AIM-54 Phoenix to replace the AIM-4. Claim it as another Falcon derivative that was the result of advancements in weapons technology that resulted in a better missile based on these improvements.
I've thought of doing that with both 1/144th and 1/100th Phoenix to make head-scratcher Falcon versions in 1/72nd.... ;)
Slightly off-topic, but another thing that occured to me was to put Phoenix wings on a Sparrow body as a "Phoenix-lite" missile.
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Another option would be to consider that miniaturization was applied to the AIM-4 and the missile was improved upon during the production run and the end result was a mini-AIM-54 Phoenix clone in size and shape based on applying some scale-o-rama and using 1:72nd scale AIM-54 Phoenix to replace the AIM-4. Claim it as another Falcon derivative that was the result of advancements in weapons technology that resulted in a better missile based on these improvements.
I've thought of doing that with both 1/144th and 1/100th Phoenix to make head-scratcher Falcon versions in 1/72nd.... ;)
The same could be done with the AGM-78 Standard ARM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-78_Standard_ARM) which is part of the Terrier/Tartar/Standard Missile (RIM-2 Terrier, RIM-24 Tartar, RIM-66 SM-1, RIM-67 SM-2) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-66_Standard) family that all share a common shape and size. By using a 1:72nd scale AGM-78 STARM you can create a 1:48th scale air to air missile that would resemble a very wicked looking "mini-me" version of the original weapon. Similar in some respects to what Matra did with the R530F ("Super 530") (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_530) and the MICA AAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile)).
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You guys are doing/designing well. :) Am watching-reading with interest.
Note that Slowy Jet carries both standard Maverick and Maverick LW (Light Weight).
Maverick LW was sourced from a 1/100 A-10.
Lotz of missile design flexibility here at BTS to go with aircraft designs.
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<...> a very wicked looking "mini-me" version of the original weapon. Similar in some respects to what Matra did with the R530F ("Super 530") ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_530[/url]) and the MICA AAM ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile)).[/url]
That sounds interesting. :) Hadn't thought about it that way. 1/48 MICAs on 1/72 aircraft, or 1/72 MICAs on 1/144 aircraft - sure sounds good!
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One to screw with people's minds…
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/48fis_korea_500lb-2_zpsb7e741edjpgoriginal_zpsb110290c.jpeg)
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Done. Going to built this one. :P
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Put a Pave Tack pod in the missile bay like the F-111 and some LGBs under the wings.
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Random Idea: ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106
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Random Idea: ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106
Oooo I like that. Stolen. ;)
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I have a Falcon 1/72nd two-seater conversion with the intention of doing an RAF one at some point. Back story is the RAF liked the airframe and the Genie but stuck to their traditional preference for a two-seater.
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"At some point"? ??? How about "now"? You know that in the modelling variation of Sod's Law, once you've completed the vac-form kit, Trumpeter will scale down their Sixes to 1/72. Come on, Weaver, take one for the team! 8) :icon_beer:
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Random Idea: ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106
Fire control system would likely be further simplified (I'd assume that any export F-106 would feature a simplified FCS to begin with), with supports for SARH guidance deleted (you ask me what kind of circumstance might constitute an exception? Hum...... maybe if Jimmy Carter sold B-52 to the PRC and got caught having done it? ;D).
I don't know what the ROCAF would have thought of the AIM-4D. I kinda got the feeling that they'd have tried to put Sidewinders onto the F-106 and install fuel tanks into the missile bay, the latter of which I wouldn't expect the Americans to like, unless the Vulcan cannon would make fuel tanks in the missile bay a dangerous proposition.
Of course the scenario I'd actually want to see is that the ROC would have somehow found enough incentive to cook up their own improved Falcon......
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Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?
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Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?
I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).
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Check here: http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220 (http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220)
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Cool image:
(http://www.f-106deltadart.com/photo_gallery/var/albums/F-106X-%28C-D-E-F%29/F-106C%20Super%20Dart%20Conceptional%20Drawing%20.jpg?m=1391303236)
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great source: http://www.f-106deltadart.com (http://www.f-106deltadart.com)
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Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?
I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).
That article on Falcons confirms what I believed, the HM-58 and Rb-28 are equivalent to the AIM-26B non-nuclear Super Falcon.
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Check here: [url]http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220[/url] ([url]http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220[/url])
I am almost too frightened to go into Goons site, I am afraid it may leave me as a F-35 hating zombie with an insatiable urge to dig up the F-111 fleet and re-animate them into F-111S super stikers!
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How about a F-106 with the weapons bay removed and replaced with fuels tanks, avionics and ammunition for a blister mounted 30mm revolver cannon scabbed under the fuselage flanked on either side by a semi-recessed Sparrow. The extra fuel in the old weapons bay would permit the underwing tanks to be regularly replaced with under wing Sparrows or Sidewinders.
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Vulcan cannon on the centerline as per project "Six-Shooter" with clear canopy hood, double-Falcon rails replaced by single AIM-47 or AIM-54 rails, and wing rails outboard of the tanks with Sidewinders or equivalent?
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Why not lengthen the underwing pylons and put Sidewinders on the sides of the pylon?
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Given the AIM-4s we carried in tandem, I wonder if it would be possible to carry a pair of longer ranged AIM-7s in the weapons bay and perhaps some AIM-9s externally (assuming they too could not be carried internally)
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Given the AIM-4s we carried in tandem, I wonder if it would be possible to carry a pair of longer ranged AIM-7s in the weapons bay and perhaps some AIM-9s externally (assuming they too could not be carried internally)
Some kit bashing might be in order. Find some 1:72nd scale Phoenix pallets from an F-14 Tomcat and slap those on the underside of the F-106. Mount your Falcons or Sparrows on the pallets. Might be enough room for several rows of the pallets.
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I would stay with the internal weapons fit
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Does anyone know of a conversion kit, in either 1/72 or 1/48, for the "Six Shooter" mod with the M61? All else failing, I'd be tempted to use the muzzle and fairing from a F-4E. random thought, something like that, but using the Israeli twin-30mm DEFA installation, instead.
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Does anyone know of a conversion kit, in either 1/72 or 1/48, for the "Six Shooter" mod with the M61? All else failing, I'd be tempted to use the muzzle and fairing from a F-4E. random thought, something like that, but using the Israeli twin-30mm DEFA installation, instead.
Missing Link Models sells a resin 1:48th scale gun pod for the F-106 through Roll Models (http://www.rollmodels.com/).
You can find it at this link by scrolling down to this item: MLM48023 - F-106 Belly Gun Pack (R-M) - Missing Link Models 1/48 Resin Details/Conversions - Price: $3.00 (http://www.rollmodels.net/search/newsrch.php)
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Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?
I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).
That article on Falcons confirms what I believed, the HM-58 and Rb-28 are equivalent to the AIM-26B non-nuclear Super Falcon.
No, not quite:
GAR-11A/AIM-26B (USAF) = HM-55 (Hughes & Switzerland) = Rb.27 (Sweden)
GAR-2A/AIM-4C (USAF) = HM-58 (Hughes) = Rb.28 (Sweden)
Later Swedish-upgraded Rb.28s were allegedly superior to AIM-4D.
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Armament-wise, my RAF F-106B will have permanent fuel instead of the bay, simplified avionics (no SAGE datalink), four Red Tops (two on fuselage pylons on former bay postion, two on new outboard wing pylons) and a centreline pylon for a Genie.
They never actually get the Genies due to a shortage of fissile material from the British nuclear program (real life reason why we never had Genies on Lightnings). The Genie pylon is later converted to carry a single 30mm ADEN cannon in an external pod similar to the one on the Hawk.
Did these a few months ago:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106B%20-%20RAF%20FIN4.png) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106B%20-%20RAF%20FIN4.png.html)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106K%20-%20RAF2%20FIN4.png) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106K%20-%20RAF2%20FIN4.png.html)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106B%20-%20RAF3%20FIN4.png) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/The%20Whiffery/profiles/Convair%20F-106B%20-%20RAF3%20FIN4.png.html)
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Very nice Weaver, very nice!
I have had an F-106 in my stash for years intending to use 70s / 80s RAAF Mirage III decals for camo schemes (I also have a Revell 1/72 Draken with the same idea). Lately though I have been thinking about a strike version, wondering what would fit in the weapons bay in the way of ordinance or possibly even Pave Tac (probably too big) or Pave Spike etc.
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One I did a while back - a pure rocket F-106:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/F-106DeltaDartRocket.jpg)
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I'm thinking of doing an Israeli one with the six-shooter gun pod replaced by a similarly shaped one with two 30mm DEFA cannon instead (got data on the unit trialed on one of their F-4Es).
For a strike one, convert the weapons bay to a fuel tank with a semi-recessed targeting pod (Paye Spike or Pave Tack are logical choices for the time period, Pave Spike especially) and carry offensive stores on the wing pylons, adding outboard pylons in the process. Perhaps you could follow up some of the proposals to fit later and/or larger radar units, too.
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I'm thinking of doing an Israeli one with the six-shooter gun pod replaced by a similarly shaped one with two 30mm DEFA cannon instead (got data on the unit trialed on one of their F-4Es).
For a strike one, convert the weapons bay to a fuel tank with a semi-recessed targeting pod (Paye Spike or Pave Tack are logical choices for the time period, Pave Spike especially) and carry offensive stores on the wing pylons, adding outboard pylons in the process. Perhaps you could follow up some of the proposals to fit later and/or larger radar units, too.
You could probably also go down the Mirage/Kfir route and have short pylons on the wing-roots/fuselage corners ahead of and behind the undercarriage bays.
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Great idea, look at everything the Israelis did with not just the Mirage but also the Nesher and Kfir and do the same for the F-106.
What engine would Israel use in an uprated version?
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Well the 24,500 lb J-75 was about as far as you could go in the 1960s. If your Israeli upgrade can wait until the 1980s, then you can get F-100s and F-110s in the 27,000-30,000 lb range. A more exotic option might be the Volvo RM8 from the Viggen which produced 28,000 lb, but I doubt whether Volvo would get an export licence for Israel from the Swedish government. However, since it's basically a P&W JT8D with a Volvo afterburner, it might be possible for P&W to buy the rights to make the afterburners themselves.
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Well the 24,500 lb J-75 was about as far as you could go in the 1960s. If your Israeli upgrade can wait until the 1980s, then you can get F-100s and F-110s in the 27,000-30,000 lb range. A more exotic option might be the Volvo RM8 from the Viggen which produced 28,000 lb, but I doubt whether Volvo would get an export licence for Israel from the Swedish government. However, since it's basically a P&W JT8D with a Volvo afterburner, it might be possible for P&W to buy the rights to make the afterburners themselves.
I don't know how true it is, but supposedly the RM8 afterburner owes some heritage to the J58 design (least ways, the folks at P&W-Florida claimed that back when they were still maintaining J58s as well as developing the F100 and F401). Hmm, since it was cancelled, I wonder if the Israelis could acquire the F401 to re-engine their F-106s?
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What about twin J79s? Of course that would be such a radical change it would be better to build an all new airframe.
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Another theoretical option would be the RR Olympus. The F-106 was originally designed around the Wright J67 which was a licence-built Olympus, but slow progress with it (company problems more than engine problems) prompted a swap to the J75. Subsequent Olympus versions for the TSR.2 and Concorde got it well into the 30,000lb range. Of course, some "interesting" politics would be needed to get a British engine to the Israelis post 1967....
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Another theoretical option would be the RR Olympus. The F-106 was originally designed around the Wright J67 which was a licence-built Olympus, but slow progress with it (company problems more than engine problems) prompted a swap to the J75. Subsequent Olympus versions for the TSR.2 and Concorde got it well into the 30,000lb range. Of course, some "interesting" politics would be needed to get a British engine to the Israelis post 1967....
Israel buys the rights to the Olympus 320R when the TSR.2 gets cancelled (alternatively, they buy the Iroquois when the Arrow gets cancelled - never know when you'll need a good engine).
The Olympus 320R as a replacement for the J75 was quite practical, I seem to remember that Republic proposed an Olympus-powered two-seat F-105 to the RAF as an interim strike aircraft until the P.1154 became available.
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Well the UK Israeli relationship was in a good place before 1967 while the US was pretty ambivalent until the late 60s. The Chieftain was actually a co-development between the UK and Israel so potentially TSR2 could also have had Israeli interest (yes I know it is a stretch). Anyway you could have a hypothetical IDF buy of 24 to 40 TSR2s as a silver bullet strike capability while the F-106 could have been acquired as a high end air defence asset post 67 and then modernised and re-engine with the same version of the Olympus as the TSR2s.
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I suppose the real question is how high a priority would re-engining be in an F-106 refit? It wasn't exactly slow and Israel isn't exactly big, so more power or better fuel economy would be unlikely to be high on the list of wants. If I were the Israelis, I'd be concentrating more on the weapon system, fitting better radar, a more autonomous control system, and proper dogfight missiles since it can't depend on only ever facing bombers.
Having said all that though, one possible justification for a power-up might be a desire to catch those pesky Syrian MiG-25Rs. Now there's a thought: pods on the side of the rear fuselage with TWO of the Mirage's SEPR booster rockets in them.. >:D
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Meng F-106 decals coming from Fundekals:
(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-09%20at%207.51.51%20PM.jpg)
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The new book from Specialty Press has some interesting bits. A proposal for a navalized "F-102B" as well as a strike version of the F-106 with additional underwing pylons. It also has good data on alternate radar fits for upgrades/derivatives.
Over and beyond those, how about a RCAF CF-106 using an Iroquois engine?
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Over and beyond those, how about a RCAF CF-106 using an Iroquois engine?
For some reason --- that appeals to me ;)
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Random idea: VTOL F-106 with lift jets in weapons bay.
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Random idea: VTOL F-106 with lift jets in weapons bay.
Need a vectoring rear nozzle, too, for balance in vertical lift, but not impossible.
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Maybe do it as a VTOL Test Aircraft akin to the Dassault Balzac V.
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Need a vectoring rear nozzle, too, for balance in vertical lift, but not impossible.
Bang-box with an Avro Canada 'eyelid' nozzle built in before the afterburner? A bit clunky perhaps ... but easier to model ;)
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Always thought a variant with two or three Sparrow semi recessed in a repurposed weapons bay plus internal gun or guns and a reprofiled windscreen and canopy would be cool.
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Always thought a variant with two or three Sparrow semi recessed in a repurposed weapons bay plus internal gun or guns and a reprofiled windscreen and canopy would be cool.
Well the F-106As upgraded under Project Six Shooter had a new canopy without metal bracing and provision for a single M61 Vulcan 20 mm cannon.
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2012/11/23/20121123045516-0dd5c0b4.jpg)(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2012/11/23/20121123045504-98725787.jpg)(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2013/03/23/20130323193339-0c4a0079.jpg)(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2013/08/04/20130804022033-432c1023.jpg)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2013/10/29/20131029183958-61ec9815.jpg)(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2012/11/23/20121123045506-ccc22eb8.jpg)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2014/03/26/20140326213159-dfce71fb.jpg)
As to the AIM-7, I think I estimated a while ago that the F-106 could theoretically have carried a pair in the weapon's bay. From what I understand though, this was never tested. That said, apparently during efforts to sell the F-106 to new customers, Convair/General Dynamics did show versions with the inner wing pylons wired for either AIM-7s or AIM-9s.
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Interestingly, the F-106 was also offered with plug in recon pack in the weapon's bay.
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Had a 1/72 Hasegawa kit in the stash for ages intended to be a RAAF Air Defence Command (ADC) variant to cover the northern approaches from the early 60s to the early 90s (i.e. something that didn't happen from the end of WWII until the end of the cold war ???)
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Armament-wise, my RAF F-106B will have permanent fuel instead of the bay, simplified avionics (no SAGE datalink), four Red Tops (two on fuselage pylons on former bay postion, two on new outboard wing pylons) and a centreline pylon for a Genie.
They never actually get the Genies due to a shortage of fissile material from the British nuclear program (real life reason why we never had Genies on Lightnings). The Genie pylon is later converted to carry a single 30mm ADEN cannon in an external pod similar to the one on the Hawk.
Did these a few months ago:
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Reviving this one. I was reading a bit yesterday about the British Operational Requirement F.155 for an interceptor aircraft to defend the United Kingdom from high-flying supersonic bombers. Whilst this generated many cool and impressive designs, none actually made it to flight hardware let alone enter service. It was eventually killed off in the 1957 Defence White Paper. What if instead of an outright killing off, it was decided to purchase an ‘interim’ off the shelf solution based around the F-106 which was about to enter service around the same time? This could easily provide the justification for some cool looking F-106 schemes just as shown.
Perhaps even go one step further and team it up with the UK also buying the Boeing CIM-10 Bomarc missile?
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Convair F-106 Six-Shooter video from Convair going in to some detail on the development of this capability for the F-106: https://youtu.be/9sD7cOpBgJQ
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British F-106 with a Gyron replacing the J75? I'm thinking that would not necessarily enhance performance, but it would add British content to pacify some elements.
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British F-106 with a Gyron replacing the J75? I'm thinking that would not necessarily enhance performance, but it would add British content to pacify some elements.
An Olympus or re heated Conway would be interesting.
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British F-106 with a Gyron replacing the J75? I'm thinking that would not necessarily enhance performance, but it would add British content to pacify some elements.
An Olympus or re heated Conway would be interesting.
Either would probably be more suitable than a Gyron. Gyron always puts me in mind of the original J58 design before all the bypass ducts and such were added.
Hmm, if we are doing engine changes, perhaps a RCAF F-106 with an Iroquois? Perhaps as an interim aircraft until the Arrow was fully ready? Make more sense than F-101Bs and Bomarcs, especially if a radar upgrade was also included.
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British F-106 with a Gyron replacing the J75? I'm thinking that would not necessarily enhance performance, but it would add British content to pacify some elements.
An Olympus or re heated Conway would be interesting.
Either would probably be more suitable than a Gyron. Gyron always puts me in mind of the original J58 design before all the bypass ducts and such were added.
Hmm, if we are doing engine changes, perhaps a RCAF F-106 with an Iroquois? Perhaps as an interim aircraft until the Arrow was fully ready? Make more sense than F-101Bs and Bomarcs, especially if a radar upgrade was also included.
The RAF, with all its development efforts in the TSR-2 and not wanting the Navy plane, contracts Convair to develop an enhanced F-106 with the same engine as the TSR2 and a derivative of the F-4K avionics and sensor package.
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I seem to recall proposing in the past about the F-106 as an option for the RAF instead of some of the F.155 designs. I can't find my original post though.
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Screen shots from the video Jeff referenced.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49405841036_e3cc9f9433_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2igPRgs)
USAF-F-106-Six-Shooter-03 (https://flic.kr/p/2igPRgs) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49406036122_5f614d7a54_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2igQRg1)
USAF-F-106-Six-Shooter-02 (https://flic.kr/p/2igQRg1) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49406036157_9e1aa4f7a4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2igQRgB)
USAF-F-106-Six-Shooter-01 (https://flic.kr/p/2igQRgB) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
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(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2012/12/13/20121213045325-2b062ef1.jpg)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/_data/i/upload/2013/08/04/20130804022033-432c1023-me.jpg)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/_data/i/upload/2013/08/04/20130804022031-3ebe2c4a-me.jpg)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/_data/i/upload/2014/02/02/20140202223639-4ab9a5a6-me.jpg)
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Lets keep going and add an AGM-78 Antisatellite missile. Project Spike: https://www.f-106deltadart.com/spikeproject.htm (https://www.f-106deltadart.com/spikeproject.htm)
This and the other photos can be found here: https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/category/443 (https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/category/443)
(https://www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/upload/2018/01/07/20180107061313-25b38aeb.jpg)
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Several years ago, I did an F-106A in RAAF service:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1665/0rxY65.jpg)
A year or so later I did an F-106B in RAF service:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/8140/kixs9F.jpg)
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I like the idea of an F-106 in the "Hill Gray" scheme.
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One of these days I’m going to drag out my Hasagawa kit and do the modernized version I’ve been contemplating for a long time now. Plenty of good deals here.
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AGM-78 was similar size and weight to the AIM-54, slightly heavier and longer actually, how about a Phoenix armed upgrade of the F-106 using data links to lob the active AIM-54 at incoming targets?
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One I just found - a 1/48 RCAF F-106 by Beazer over on Britmodeller:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47956743723_77175105ac_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47956743703_3d7ca765a6_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47956772581_dc7034658a_b.jpg)
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One I just found - a 1/48 RCAF F-106 by Beazer over on Britmodeller:
Gorgeous build :smiley:
[rivet-counter-mode] Fuselage markings should be RCAF+568. Squadron codes (like RL) were dropped by the RCAF in 1958. [/rivet-counter-mode]
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Question- with what instrument does a Six Shooter F-106 aim its Vulcan cannon? How does it see past the front canopy frame, or is it less of a problem than I think?
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http://www.mcchordairmuseum.org/PIC%20PG%20F-106%20gunsight.htm (http://www.mcchordairmuseum.org/PIC%20PG%20F-106%20gunsight.htm)
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It looks like it has the same visual effect that the center post frame on the 'halo' that F1 cars use, when asked, the drivers say they just don't see it ---
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Good looking "Saab Pil"!
Are these the work of Spinners1961?
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Doh! Deleted whilst I find the image I meant to post.
some are Spinners work but not all.
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/FLYGVAPNETF-106SDELTADART01_zps2ad2e8e7.jpg&key=a11f2362f264a9d673c46010f5eaa9123e1769661512ba5b3cb77b1086f7565d)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_12_2015/43015f6a35a16e14c7b936da3714386b-3.jpg)
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Real world F-106s. Artwork by JP Vieria.
Click on image to enlarge.
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Random idea triggered by 3-engined Mirage III discussion here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1645.175): what about a 3-engined F106 'Viper" maybe with something such as 3 x General Electric YJ101 engines in that classic BSG Viper look:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SQ64rNwYtmA/maxresdefault.jpg)
By way of comparison, a 'standard' F-106 with a single Pratt & Whitney J75-P-17 had up to 24,500 lbf (109 kN) thrust with afterburner with engine weight of 5875 lb (2665 kg) whereas 3 x J101s would have a combined thrust of up to 43,200 lbf (192 kN) and weight (excluding structural) of ~5701 lb (2586kg).
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And before anyone points it out, I am aware of the real world 3 engined F-106 shown below:
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2BFWKA4/a-convair-f-106b-delta-dart-rolls-to-the-right-to-reveal-the-two-research-engines-installed-under-its-wings-2BFWKA4.jpg)
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/grc-1968-c-03005.jpg)
I just think my idea is cooler... ;)
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It certainly is! 8)
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What are they? Rockets? Purpose is to add a sprint capability?
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What are they? Rockets? Purpose is to add a sprint capability?
It was intended to test various engine inlet and exhaust configurations for the U.S. SST program. See here (https://web.archive.org/web/20161125131333/www.f-106deltadart.com/nasa_airbreathing_propulsion_research.htm).