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Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« on: December 17, 2011, 04:16:14 AM »
Hi folks,

Some of my '09 ideas from over the years:

Floatplane:


Twin engined:



Bf109M2:



Curtiss 109:



Extra Range option:


Let's see your ideas!

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 10:05:39 PM »
That B109M2 is fecking awesome Greg!!!
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 01:41:58 AM »
I have made several "navalized" Bf-109T's,



but one of these days will make my "ultimate" seagoing 109. It will have, however, a RADIAL engine in the same vein as the Japanese Ki-61-to-Ki-100!

Way back in the day, I had made a 1/72 "master" of a Ki-100 for a cottage-industry model company (Model-Aire International--"M.A.I."), but the company folded before the plane came out, and of course Hasegawa came out with a fine version themselves. But I still have the original master, and will incorporate that into my "ultimate 109". I am using a Monogram Snap-Tite 109 for the basis, as it is 1/64 or so, and thus is "roomier" and will allow extra length with add-ons without looking out-of-proportion. (sigh) Don't look for it anytime soon, as I have a long list of projects with greater precedence.

(Will include Me-109H wings, and Me-209 V5 tall tail)
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 03:10:49 AM »
but one of these days will make my "ultimate" seagoing 109. It will have, however, a RADIAL engine in the same vein as the Japanese Ki-61-to-Ki-100!


Or maybe the Bf 109X:



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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 03:17:57 AM »
Hi folks,

Some of my '09 ideas from over the years:

Floatplane...


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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 03:24:03 AM »
That B109M2 is fecking awesome Greg!!!

The story behind it is that the German Ardennes offensive was successful and that the war essentially went on until '46.  However, whilst new jets were being developed/introduced in limited numbers, it was still up to the existing '109s and '190s to carry the burden.  In the case of the '190 it was the D variants and the Ta-152.  For the '109, it became the M variant.  This retained the DB 605DB/DC of the late 'Gs/'Ks but now added contra props, better vision canopy (based upon that for Me-262) and also had an armament of a single 30mm Motorkanone + twin 13 mm MG 131s.

The lower sub-variant also had a rocket booster in the tail.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 03:29:32 AM »
Hi folks,

Some of my '09 ideas from over the years:

Floatplane...


Found this here.


My that looks familiar.  First I have seen it - I am not surprised though that people come up with similar ideas.  I was looking for a different variation on the already known Bf-109W:


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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 05:42:41 AM »
When Adolf Galland rudely insinuated to Georing that he would rather have a squadron of Spitfires with which to go into battle, Georing decided to "Punish" Galland's squadron for that impudent remark. He had discovered that some mechanics had successfully mated a Diamler-benz engine and cowl to a captured, flyable Spitfire airframe,
so insited on fifteen more to outfit Galland's entire squadron!



An unintentional satisfaction with this model is that it demonstrates the similarities in the Bf-109 and Spitfire when given only a glance (for recognition). Because of the well-documented, and often modeled subject, the viewer's eyes looks at the coloring and markings and starts seeing Bf-109 before his "tricked" mind catches sight of something "un-Bf-109" about it.  I included Galland's famous "telescope" gunsight.
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 07:57:28 PM »
I love tip tanks. Thanks for the inspiration.

If it pleases the artist, may I steal his idea for my next Bf-109 build?
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 02:02:50 AM »
Go for it!
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 02:51:22 PM »
What the heck.  Clipped wingtips, looks even faster to me.

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 09:41:01 PM »
What the heck.  Clipped wingtips, looks even faster to me.

Yeah. And I'd increase the tail area too.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 02:46:49 AM »
So, will the new Trumpeter Me509 kit provide a good basis for a Yokosuka R2Y Keiun?



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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 05:44:32 PM »
Some more Me509 ideas:

  • Night fighter variant - probably need second cockpit
  • Twinned Me509Z
  • Turboprop variant
  • Carrier based variant
  • Captured variant
  • Non German variants - RAF, USAF...
  • Jet or Jet & Prop variant

Other idea?
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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
About the only one you haven't covered is a post-War French version in Indochina.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 11:56:57 PM »
>About the only one you haven't covered is a post-War French version in Indochina.<

Or a post-war, Merlin-powered Hispano HA-1113 (Buchon II?) version for Spain?
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 03:19:00 AM »
Me 109TL



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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 06:23:12 AM »
What the heck.  Clipped wingtips, looks even faster to me.







Watch out if Tophe sees that one!   :D :D :D :D :D

This twin is the most interesting for me of all the 109 derivatives, but they are all a handsome collection. One additional that comes to mind might be a German take on the Yak 15, where you take a 109 and undersling forward a BMW 003.
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 06:54:41 AM »
I believe one of the 109TL concepts had that very idea.  I can't recall the engine used, but I remember Unicraft had a kit of it and it appeared on the Luft46 website.

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Re: Bf109, Me209, Me309...Me509 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 02:14:08 PM »
I believe one of the 109TL concepts had that very idea.  I can't recall the engine used, but I remember Unicraft had a kit of it and it appeared on the Luft46 website.

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John,

I believe you are referring to this one:




Unicraft do it in both 1/72 and 1/48.  I am not sure if it is a fictional one though...not that it really matters too much to us.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 08:34:20 PM »
That's the girl.  Luft 46 makes no mention it, but as you say that's moot.

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 10:57:54 AM »
I have underway a 1/48 Airfix Bf-109E-7 and a Tamiya Bf-109E-4 both featuring a cloth wing and one a cloth rear fuselage with horizontal stringers.     
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 11:18:48 AM »
I have a plan to do a Bf-109E-4 with air-to-air refuelling...
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2012, 07:06:55 AM »
So, will the new Trumpeter Me509 kit provide a good basis for a Yokosuka R2Y Keiun?

Likely not as the R2Y1 was rather larger, being powered by a coupled engine made from two of the license-built DB601 engines.

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2012, 07:12:51 AM »
Me 109TL

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