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Title: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on March 26, 2012, 10:58:34 AM
just found this ...
           :o where's Tophe !!

(http://www.hyperscale.com/2012/reviews/books/p7hg_img_5/fullsize/5_fs.jpg)

apparently a real idea from the aircraft industry :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 26, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
Damn, I want to see the front view of that one.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 29, 2012, 05:16:26 AM
Could this be a B-48?
Is looking good.  All thatz needed is wider hangers, taxie ways, runways.......
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: madoc on March 29, 2012, 01:12:44 PM
Looks like someone got a hold of a copy of "Consolidated Mess." (http://www.amazon.com/CONSOLIDATED-MESS-Illustrated-Nose-turreted-Production/dp/8361421165)

I can't help but think however that such a configuration, as depicted, would be severely underpowered.  You've essentially got double the weight there with only 3/4 the horsepower to drive it (6 engines vs. 8.)

Still looks pretty funky though.

Madoc
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on March 31, 2012, 12:37:38 AM
Holy schninkies! I thought the author of "Consolidated Mess" was joking when he mentioned the Zwilling version!

Makes doing it now less appealing. Maybe. Or not. Darn. Now I'm uncertain. I hate when that happens.

It definitely needs another engine along the center line. Maybe add a couple pushers into the mix, but the whole thing becomes a nightmare of adding weight to get around a bad weight to horsepower ratio. But then, if it looks cool enough, then who cares?
ARRRG!!!!!!! Uncertainty again!!!!!

Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on March 31, 2012, 01:00:25 AM
Full 'ornamental Design for an Airplane' patent at Google Patents:
http://www.google.com/patents/USD138102?dq=kelly+138,102 (http://www.google.com/patents/USD138102?dq=kelly+138,102)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2012, 05:58:36 AM
What if the B-24 was used as the basis for turboprop experiments rather then the B-17:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/B24TP.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2012, 06:05:58 AM
Something cobbled together:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/v01.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on March 31, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
What if the B-24 was used as the basis for turboprop experiments rather then the B-17:

Errk !!  one for the Ugly File !

Something cobbled together

That's better !  Maybe with Chinese stars flying alongside the Tu-4 TurboTracker ?
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 31, 2012, 11:23:24 AM
C-87HST (Hight Speed Transport)   and   early land based Navy AWACS.
Good bash concepts.   :)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 03:51:35 AM
A thread for your Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration:

(http://images.forwallpaper.com/files/thumbs/preview/37/376617__b24-liberator_p.jpg)
(http://images.forwallpaper.com/files/thumbs/preview/50/506666__pb4y-2-privateer_p.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 03:56:25 AM
Subtle one:  How about a USAAF B-24R using the fuselage of the PB4Y-2/P4Y-2 Privateer including the new/extra turrets but with the Turbosupercharged engines of the B-24s.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 04:01:03 AM
Interesting observation on this firefighting PBY4:  The unframed windscreen - makes sense for its role.

https://youtu.be/S20O2ERtxTA?t=1m6s
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 05, 2015, 07:34:56 AM
How about a stripped-out and refit PB4Y-2 as a PB-4Y-2V staff transport in appropriate markings?
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on October 05, 2015, 07:45:47 AM
Interesting observation on this firefighting PBY4:  The unframed windscreen - makes sense for its role.

[url]https://youtu.be/S20O2ERtxTA?t=1m6s[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/S20O2ERtxTA?t=1m6s[/url])


Hmm! the link says it's the only one  -----

I wonder what this one is I saw back in 2013 at the Yuma Airshow

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013044_zps52c8837a.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013044_zps52c8837a.jpg.html)


D'oh!  it's the same one ---
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013035_zpse560357f.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013035_zpse560357f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 05, 2015, 08:02:37 AM
The Rockcliffe Ice Wagon:

(http://silverhawkauthor.com/images/site_graphics/Aviation/Libarary__Archives_Canada/Consolidated_B-24_Privateer_C.IX_JT973_Rockcliffe_Ice_Wagon_27_Jul_1946_LAC_MIKAN_No._3574055.jpg)

(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/RY3_Liberator_Mk.IX_(Privateer)_JT973_'Rockcliffe_Ice_Wagon'_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 05, 2015, 09:28:19 AM
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/327/pics/3_104.jpg)

ARC: 1/72 XB-41 - Destroyer Escort (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal13/12601-12700/gal12657-XB-41-Conrady/00.shtm)

(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal13/12601-12700/gal12657-XB-41-Conrady/01.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 05, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
There's also that one-off that had a B-17G nose from just in front of the cockpit forward grafted onto a B-24 (don't remember the exact model).  It's real, but it'd truly freak out a lot of folks.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 10:33:39 PM
There's also that one-off that had a B-17G nose from just in front of the cockpit forward grafted onto a B-24 (don't remember the exact model).  It's real, but it'd truly freak out a lot of folks.


This one:

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kq4623a9Qs1qzsgg9o1_500.jpg)
(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/acresearcher/B-24-17combo.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
A different deferent sort of Liberator:  the single XB-24Q:

(http://www.air-and-space.com/19460622%20GEARL/19460622%20GEARL%20Richard%20Lockett%20367%20XB-24Q%2044-49916%20radar%20directed%20tail%20turret%20right%20rear%20l.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 06, 2015, 02:18:40 AM
Is that a RADAR controlled tail turret? Also remote controller turrets?
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 06, 2015, 02:49:24 AM
From Joe Baugher's page on American Military Aircraft (http://www.joebaugher.com/uscombataircraft.html) - USAAC/USAAF/USAF Bombers (http://www.joebaugher.com/usafbombers.html) - USAAC/USAAF/USAF Bomber Aircraft-Third Series (http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/thirdseriesbombers.html) - Consolidated B-24 Liberator (http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/b24.html):
Quote
The XB-24Q-FO was produced in July of 1946 by converting a B-24L (serial number 44-49916) at the General Electric company in Schenectady, New York to test a radar-controlled remote gun position in the tail that was being developed for the Boeing B-47 Stratojet. After completion of the tests, the XB-24Q was eventually sent to reclamation at Olmstead AAF in Pennsylvania in August of 1948 and was presumably scrapped there.

Sources:

    Famous Bombers of the Second World War, William Green, Doubleday, 1959.

    Liberator: America's Global Bomber, Alwyn T. Lloyd, Pictorial Histories Publishing Co, Inc, 1993.

    General Dynamics Aircraft and Their Predecesssors, John Wegg, Naval Institute Press, 1990.

    E-mail from Terence Geary on fate of XB-24Q.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on October 06, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
(http://www.air-and-space.com/19460622%20GEARL/19460622%20GEARL%20Richard%20Lockett%20403%20XB-24Q%2044-49916%20R-5A%20VS-327%20right%20rear%20l.jpg)

(http://www.air-and-space.com/19460622%20GEARL/19460622%20GEARL%20Richard%20Lockett%20403%20XB-24Q%2044-49916%20right%20rear%20l.jpg)

Taken from this webpage - General Electric Air Research Demonstration, June 22, 1946 (http://www.air-and-space.com/19460622%20GEARL.htm) - rather an interesting collection of photos of what the USAAF was willing to show to the public, just after the end of the war.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 06, 2015, 12:27:50 PM
Would not take much effort to add in the remote control turrets from the B-29 with the sighting blisters for the gunners to make a very much improved B-24. 
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 07, 2015, 03:40:50 AM
It is often forgotten that the Indian Air Force flew Liberators until 1968!

Click on the image below to read more details

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Consolidated_B-24L_Liberator,_India_-_Air_Force_AN1139882.jpg) (http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircraft/History/927-B24.html)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: arkon on October 07, 2015, 04:13:13 AM
I always thought a b-24 would look nice with an amphibious hull.😄
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on October 07, 2015, 05:34:47 AM
I always thought a b-24 would look nice with an amphibious hull.😄

It would look like a four engine version of its predecessor, the Model 31.  ;D
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 07, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
Why does my mind want to see a cross between a XB-24Q and a XB-24N?  You might even be able to move the remote turret forward a bit since you would no longer need to worry about hitting the vertical tails.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 07, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
I always thought a b-24 would look nice with an amphibious hull.😄


It would look like a four engine version of its predecessor, the Model 31.  ;D


Speaking of the related model 31, what about a bigger version of this proposed variant:

(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/E3T522/consolidated-model-31-xp4y-1-E3T522.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on October 07, 2015, 07:45:28 AM
I always thought a b-24 would look nice with an amphibious hull.

It would look like a four engine version of its predecessor, the Model 31.  ;D

Good call Jon.  Yes the linage is apparent.
Amphibious hull B-24 had crossed my mind too.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on October 07, 2015, 08:10:30 AM
based on hulls from Sunderland & Catalina .....
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on October 07, 2015, 08:13:34 AM
The B-24 Flying boat (1st drawing) looks VERY believable!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on October 07, 2015, 08:25:39 AM
The B-24 Flying boat (1st drawing) looks VERY believable!!!!  8)

thanks Cliffy ... but when the Lib's structure is so flimsy & would need much strengthening for a 'boat, why not just license-build the Sunderland :(
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 07, 2015, 08:40:57 AM
The B-24 Flying boat (1st drawing) looks VERY believable!!!!  8)

thanks Cliffy ... but when the Lib's structure is so flimsy & would need much strengthening for a 'boat, why not just license-build the Sunderland :(
Beautiful art.  I'm thinking though, that an updated Model 31, incorporating much of the Liberator would have a better chance.  Given Consolidated's involvement with flying boats, I can't see them licensing the Sunderland and arguing strenuously against anyone else so doing.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on October 07, 2015, 09:32:07 AM
It is often forgotten that the Indian Air Force flew Liberators until 1968!

Click on the image below to read more details

([url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Consolidated_B-24L_Liberator,_India_-_Air_Force_AN1139882.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircraft/History/927-B24.html[/url])


My Dad told me when he was stationed at Digri with 617 Sqn. just after the war , he watched the B-24's the RAF had being flown out to sea where the minimal crew would bail out and then the aircraft would crash into the sea ----
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 07, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
And we have an Indian B-24 at the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa. 

Got it in exchange for a Lysander. 
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on October 07, 2015, 11:48:42 AM
The B-24 Flying boat (1st drawing) looks VERY believable!!!!  8)


thanks Cliffy ... but when the Lib's structure is so flimsy & would need much strengthening for a 'boat, why not just license-build the Sunderland :(

Beautiful art.  I'm thinking though, that an updated Model 31, incorporating much of the Liberator would have a better chance.  Given Consolidated's involvement with flying boats, I can't see them licensing the Sunderland and arguing strenuously against anyone else so doing.


... or a Coronado with Model 31 - Model 32/Liberator type wing.

(http://www.airaces.ru/images/hydroplane/consolidated-pb2y-coronado-flying-boat.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 29, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
Liner based on B-24

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/B-24_liner.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/B-24_liner.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2016, 03:09:28 AM
Or taking a more aggressive stance:

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/Roc001.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2016, 03:10:23 AM
One I did ages ago - a turboprop powered AEW Liberator derivative:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/v01.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2016, 03:11:47 AM
The actual 'Liberator Liner' Consolidated Model 39 (Convair Model 104)/XR2Y-1:

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/VanTilborg/2932L.jpg)
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2328L.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2016, 03:13:41 AM
Many of you will be familiar with the JB-17G turboprop testbed:

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/GauthierDavidJ/9578L.jpg)
(http://i14.servimg.com/u/f14/09/04/01/53/wright10.jpg)

Well, what if it was the JB-24 instead:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/B24TP.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 30, 2016, 08:13:58 AM
Or taking a more aggressive stance:

([url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/Roc001.jpg[/url])


Got the Pavla conversion to do this (1/72 of course  ;)  )
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 12, 2017, 10:51:49 PM
Liberators retained by the RAAF post war and converted to the MPA/GR role once the Lincolns start to come on line.  With the formation of the RAN FAA the RAAF has a hissy fit and dumps the MPA role as well seeing the Liberators transferred to RAN control (and colours) from 1948 where they are retained well into the 60s due to inter service rivalry making it difficult to secure money to replace them.  While replacement was too expensive many upgrades were possible.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 13, 2017, 02:22:00 AM
I have plans for a RAAF PB4Y Privateer in 1/48...
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 13, 2017, 06:37:27 PM
I have plans for a RAAF PB4Y Privateer in 1/48...

Always liked the privateer, prefer it to the base Liberator.  Always thought it was quite odd to have replaced the Libs with Lincolns instead of something more advanced, maybe GAF could have licenced something for an entirely different requirement and let the RAAF keep the Libs for longer.  Maybe they could build a tactical bomber to replace the Beaufort / Beaufighter before then building the Canberra and keep the Libs until something like the Valiant or B-47 became available.  This would give lots of options for upgrades to keep the type competitive through the remainder of the 40s with replacement not becoming an issue until Korea kicks off, the large number of airframes delivered during the war would have also provided a massive pool of parts to sustain the type but also excess frames to convert to transports and MPAs.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on November 10, 2017, 04:07:06 AM
(http://files.constantcontact.com/e75c2ed6201/d28ef4a8-a8c0-4aff-9a3a-9658f4dae44b.jpg)

Source: Consolidated PB4Y-1/1P Liberator by Steve Ginter
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 10, 2017, 07:07:00 AM
Interesting
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on November 10, 2017, 09:57:14 AM
Such B-24 variants !
Wonder how well a 1/72 liner kit would sell ?
HVAR and 4 gun turret both make bad day for subs etc....
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 10, 2018, 12:50:48 PM
Just a thought, Canadian PB4Y=2's converted to Merlin-power for commonality with RCAF North Stars.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 16, 2019, 06:41:10 AM
A B-12.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66685677_10157598584002386_1779542458405748736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQlog0lhncY7VT1x8cjqYu0aL4dDD0J9_h-fGSPdQouzJUnNcLl_Qq8pbageqbJBm4g&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=7bb28e7481dc023303d22ae3d9e6243e&oe=5DC29BD2)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 16, 2019, 06:44:36 AM
That looks fantastic!  Definitely worth building.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 17, 2019, 01:51:43 AM
Twin R-3350 powered concepts for the USAAC and USN. Like some other projects
they came to nothing because of the demand for the R-3350 on other programs,
primarily the B-29.

(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-Sj6Xcx5/1/c8471da0/O/LB29_01.png)
LB-29

(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-q8fnL5v/1/106146b9/XL/XP5Y1_01-XL.png)
XP5Y-1

The real B-12 was the B-10 with the P&W R-1820 Cyclones replaced with Wright R-1690 Hornets.

Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 05, 2021, 03:24:32 AM
Cool shot:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/3BDE448B-1A15-4662-A382-B3BD540A1B7D.jpeg)

Click for bigger
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 07, 2021, 01:43:00 AM
Something different:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/v-1710-cconsolidaedb-24-jpg.604317/)

Click for bigger
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 07, 2021, 02:29:43 AM
More:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/b24-1710-1.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/b24-1710-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 07, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
It has no right to, but that really works. I think because the Davis wing is the only concession to aerodynamics the Liberator ever had, the streamlined Allisons don't seam nearly as out of place as I'd have expected them to. The cowlings seem to match early P-38s pretty closely.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on April 08, 2021, 04:20:26 AM
... The cowlings seem to match early P-38s pretty closely.

I was thinking that too. Odd that this versions has those early Lightning cowlings while those in Reply #54 look more like XP-40 cowls. I suppose the difference is supercharged versus turbocharged?

I note some variation in the Reply #55 images as well. The upper artwork has radiators let into the leading edge. The lower image lacks those leading edge inlets but has intakes on either side of the turbos.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 08, 2021, 05:45:04 AM
I noticed that, too, and definitely prefer the P-38 vs the P-40 cowlings in this instance. I think the lower image in #55 has the turbo-supercharger and the upper one doesn't (like the Lockheed Model 322 Lightnings for the French & British).
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Sport25ing on April 08, 2021, 07:48:04 AM
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b85ac569-0b46-4e07-a1fa-849fcc1030be/dcpyv5k-fd8440d2-1755-4c35-b37b-8e7ecc087cdf.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_1451,q_75,strp/wunderwaffen_tome_1_pg_23_by_sport16ing_dcpyv5k-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xNDUxIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjg1YWM1NjktMGI0Ni00ZTA3LWExZmEtODQ5ZmNjMTAzMGJlXC9kY3B5djVrLWZkODQ0MGQyLTE3NTUtNGMzNS1iMzdiLThlN2VjYzA4N2NkZi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.VwZf-EE3gbp-p8An5r-FGPENs6GGvKRfSW6lqilq34k)
Some of you may have seen this, but those who don't (and those who have, but still not spotted all stuffs): it's pretty much an "almost" XB-41, with two turrets both on top and bottom + radar-guided 20mm gun turret on nose and tail (althought on the bottom)

(https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ww2planes/ww2-consolidated/consolidated_xb_24n_liberator-74735.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vTvLCax.jpg?2)
The XB-24N Liberator - the next generation had the A-bomb not been drop

More info:
 In 1943, a single B-24D-40-CO (42-40234) had been experimentally fitted with a single fin-and-rudder assembly as the XB-24K. This experiment was so successful that in April of 1944 the USAAF decided that all future production Liberators would have a single vertical tail. The B-24N was to have been an adaptation of this design for production by Ford/Willow Run. This aircraft differed from the XB-24K primarily in having revised nose and tail gun positions. The nose had a unique Sperry-built "ball" turret, and the tail turret was not unlike that on the Boeing B-17 fortress.

The XB-24N (44-48753) was the prototype and was delivered on Nov 24, 1944. In addition to the XB-24N, seven YB-24Ns were completed before Liberator production terminated at Ford on May 31, 1945. At this time, orders for 5168 Ford-built B-24N-FO bombers were cancelled. The delivery of the few YB-24Ns by Ford brought the production of the Liberator to an end.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2021, 01:51:27 AM
What is the guys doing to the top turret on that last one? ;)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2021, 01:53:40 AM
I noticed that, too, and definitely prefer the P-38 vs the P-40 cowlings in this instance. I think the lower image in #55 has the turbo-supercharger and the upper one doesn't (like the Lockheed Model 322 Lightnings for the French & British).

Agreed - a couple of P-38 engines might be a good sacrifice to do a build of this one.  Once could always do the reverse engine swap as well and have a pair of P&W R-1830 powered P-38s result as well. ;)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2021, 02:04:58 AM
Note different dorsal turret:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/4984078_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2021, 02:08:49 AM
Has anyone seen a photo of the single RB-24L which was supposedly developed for training B-29 gunners on an identical remote gun system installed on a B-24L.
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 09, 2021, 03:07:55 AM
Note different dorsal turret:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/4984078_orig.jpg)

I think you'll find the rear turret was the same one usually found in a Halifax too. I found a photo of it but of course, not now. I bought bits & bobs so I could build one of the B-24's I have like it.

Like this below
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on July 18, 2023, 04:55:29 PM
found this in a B-24 manual
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 18, 2023, 12:09:17 AM
Odd thought: XB-38 conversion, in the scale of your choice, applied to a B-24.  What B-24 model would be most appropriate to use for this?
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 19, 2023, 05:39:21 AM
While watching a video about the Aleutian Island campaign I noticed something odd with the video clip showing a B-24 returning from a bombing mission against Attu or Kistka.  There appears to be a pair of machine guns fitted to the bottom of the nose glazing, one to each side of the bombardier's position that are arranged as fixed forward firing weapons.  I can not recall any documentation of such modifications being made to the B-24 to enable it to be used for strafing or to provide additional firepower against enemy aircraft attacking from the front.  Is this something that any of you are familiar with from past reading? 

The B-24 in question coming to a stop at time stamp 20:30 in this video:
The Best Film Archives Channel> Forgotten Battle of the Aleutian Islands | Alaska at War | WW2 Documentary in Color | 1943 (https://youtu.be/VkmgeseTShE?si=SaPFft8NkxpiMTFb&t=1230)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 20, 2023, 01:15:40 AM
While watching a video about the Aleutian Island campaign I noticed something odd with the video clip showing a B-24 returning from a bombing mission against Attu or Kistka.  There appears to be a pair of machine guns fitted to the bottom of the nose glazing, one to each side of the bombardier's position that are arranged as fixed forward firing weapons.  I can not recall any documentation of such modifications being made to the B-24 to enable it to be used for strafing or to provide additional firepower against enemy aircraft attacking from the front.  Is this something that any of you are familiar with from past reading? 

The B-24 in question coming to a stop at time stamp 20:30 in this video:
The Best Film Archives Channel> Forgotten Battle of the Aleutian Islands | Alaska at War | WW2 Documentary in Color | 1943 ([url]https://youtu.be/VkmgeseTShE?si=SaPFft8NkxpiMTFb&t=1230[/url])


Some mention here:  http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37378 (http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37378)
Title: Re: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 20, 2023, 04:48:31 AM
While watching a video about the Aleutian Island campaign I noticed something odd with the video clip showing a B-24 returning from a bombing mission against Attu or Kistka.  There appears to be a pair of machine guns fitted to the bottom of the nose glazing, one to each side of the bombardier's position that are arranged as fixed forward firing weapons.  I can not recall any documentation of such modifications being made to the B-24 to enable it to be used for strafing or to provide additional firepower against enemy aircraft attacking from the front.  Is this something that any of you are familiar with from past reading? 

The B-24 in question coming to a stop at time stamp 20:30 in this video:
The Best Film Archives Channel> Forgotten Battle of the Aleutian Islands | Alaska at War | WW2 Documentary in Color | 1943 ([url]https://youtu.be/VkmgeseTShE?si=SaPFft8NkxpiMTFb&t=1230[/url])
Some mention here:  [url]http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37378[/url] ([url]http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37378[/url])

Thanks for the link Greg.  Seems to have been an authorized modification performed at depot level during the modification process to some of the B-24D model Liberators.