P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

Random idea:  early P-51A or P-51B as RN FAA carrier fighter instead of Seafire.

[elmayerle]

Random idea:  early P-51A or P-51B as RN FAA carrier fighter instead of Seafire.

But configure the wing for 20mm cannon, such as used on the Mustang IA/P-51.

[raafif]

P-51B 2-seater ......
    pics here http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1367025970/This+P51+landed+today+at+Burbank+Airport.+Two+seater%21%21

[elmayerle]

P-51B 2-seater ......
    pics here http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1367025970/This+P51+landed+today+at+Burbank+Airport.+Two+seater%21%21

Cleaner conversion than the war-waery ones converted to squadron hacks during WW II.  Debden Eagles has some good pictures and I believe one of the Czech conversion companies produces a new fuselage for this one.  I'm thinking of mod'ing one as a night fighter, much as the 4th Fighter Group modified a P-51D (again, that same book has a picture of this one and it is the only place I've found it).

[GTX_Admin]

As per back around Reply#38

[tsrjoe]

some really neat Twin Mustang schemes profiled by John Lacey 'maverick' ...

[ysi_maniac]

A step back to Allison

[GTX_Admin]

Interesting pic:

[kitnut617]

This is something I've been working on lately,  it'll have tricycle undercarriage  -----

[Jeffry Fontaine]

This is something I've been working on lately,  it'll have tricycle undercarriage  -----

Robert, what are you going to use for your nose gear?  I have been stumped on what to use for a similar project involving a ModelCraft F-82 Twin Mustang that would be built as a slightly larger Mustang using just one set of the fuselage parts.  The inside of each fuselage half has slots for the horizontal stabilizers and I figured that was one option but the desire to have a tricycle landing gear arrangement with nose gear has me stalled. 

[kitnut617]

I'm using an F-86 nose gear and wheel Jeff, the fuselage I'm using is an F-51H which has a slimmed down cowling.  I'm making a bulged lower half to the cowling to accommodate the u/c out of an F-84F nose wheel bay.  The wing, although almost a dead ringer for a Mustang wing, isn't one ---    I've also gone with a smaller diameter prop just to make sure I have enough ground clearance, I'm using prop blades from the rear set of a Spitfire contra-prop

[Jeffry Fontaine]

I'm using an F-86 nose gear and wheel Jeff, the fuselage I'm using is an F-51H which has a slimmed down cowling.  I'm making a bulged lower half to the cowling to accommodate the u/c out of an F-84F nose wheel bay.  The wing, although almost a dead ringer for a Mustang wing, isn't one ---    I've also gone with a smaller diameter prop just to make sure I have enough ground clearance, I'm using prop blades from the rear set of a Spitfire contra-prop

Thanks for the guidance Robert, had not thought through far enough I suppose.  The smaller diameter propeller blades are a great idea.  The True Details PV1 Ventura Hamilton Standard propellers are already of a shorter length with that signature paddle blade and that would get you six blade to use on a different propeller hub/spinner. 

[kitnut617]

My idea is that Cavalier has a third go at trying to get an order from the USAF, figuring that tail-draggers just don't cut the mustard so decided to do a tricycle u/c job.

Here you can see the new underside of the cowling and how I've extended it under the wing.

[elmayerle]

Just a thought, would the wing and nose gear bay of a T-28 work toward making a tri-gear P-51?  I could see NAA, or Cavalier, working with what was readily available.

[kitnut617]

I don't know Evan, I don't have a T-28 to work with.  The wing I'm using comes from a Short Tucano which seems to have the spars in the same place as the F-51H wing.  The chord is slightly shorter on the Tucano wing but my story is Cavalier designed an advanced wing for their new project.

[elmayerle]

I don't know Evan, I don't have a T-28 to work with.  The wing I'm using comes from a Short Tucano which seems to have the spars in the same place as the F-51H wing.  The chord is slightly shorter on the Tucano wing but my story is Cavalier designed an advanced wing for their new project.

*chuckle* Then I'll need to try this one on my own.  It could make for an interesting effort.  Need to buy another 1/72 T-28, though.  The one I have is destined to make an AT-28F.

[Vuk]

Interesting pic:

According to http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/165/3/17 this Mustang went on USN trials aboard carrier CV-38 USS Shangri-La in 1944.

Second profile is a what-if a Mustang entered USN service. Both profiles are work of french illustrator Gaetan Marie http://www.gaetanmarie.com/

[GTX_Admin]

According to http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/165/3/17 this Mustang went on USN trials aboard carrier CV-38 USS Shangri-La in 1944.

Yes, I was aware of that - here are a couple of photos of the real aircraft:




And speaking of profiles, here is one by our very own Damian:

[kitnut617]

If an aircraft was ever begging for a contra-prop it would be that one Greg.  I think I'd like to build one using a Shackleton prop --

[GTX_Admin]

You were saying…






BTW, all of these apparently used Shak' spinner/props.

[kitnut617]

Yeap! I've got a High Planes kit of Precious Metal Greg, in 1/72 of course   

But that is also a Griffon powered Mustang --

[elmayerle]

Regarding carrier-based Mustangs, how about a carrier-based Twin-Mustang with wing fold just outboard of the nacelles and main landing gear trunnions?

[kitnut617]

A question comes to mind for that Evan, where would you put the arrester hook ?  Can an aircraft use 'two' hooks at the same time if it had two

[elmayerle]

Well, now, I think you'd only want one, perhaps on a central nacelle, somewhat like the navalized P-38 proposals?  I'm thinking two hooks, that far apart, could engage separately and induce some major loads into the airframe.  Probably another reason a navalized P-82 wasn't given much consideration.

[Rickshaw]

A question comes to mind for that Evan, where would you put the arrester hook ?  Can an aircraft use 'two' hooks at the same time if it had two

And if one hook breaks?  The asymmetrical loads would rip the other hook off and spin the aircraft round.  With a twin-Mustang, the best place would attached forwards, just behind the centre wing, attached to the fuselage on either side.  It would have to be obviously a wide, V-shaped one which was also quite long, to reach down below the main under-carriage legs.