Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Floaty GB => Topic started by: Tophe on February 04, 2017, 04:31:50 PM
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Years back, I already presented floaty P-38s and P-51s, but I will try to invent new ones... :-X ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairQ_ea_zpswlvas5iv.jpg)
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Cristophe,you not cease to amaze me,I like very much this flying catamaran :)
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Folks at Lockheed never thought of that!! Cool!
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Absolutely brilliant, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Wow! I love that! :) :-*
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Thanks you all!
And here another P-38 catamaran:
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Savoia-Marchetti would be delighted with this beauty, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks! while... Maybe Savoia preferred the SP-82: (SP meaning not Savoia-Pursuit but Sea-Plane)
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Beautiful! :-*
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Now that's pretty cool! I wonder how 2 1/144 PBY planing hulls would fit on a 1/72 F-82.
Then I would add the other Allison to the rear of the engine nacelle, Savoia-style. Longer range rival to the Saro SR.A1!
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I like it! I bet a couple of P80 fuselages would work well for that. Add maybe Arado 196 floats to the bottom?
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How would your first version look using an F-82 instead of a P-38?
What if you add inverted gull wings to the second version?
Crbad, if you can find the Aeroclub set of vacuform floats you could build them all.....
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Thanks a lot for this bunch of great ideas! I will try to illustrate them...
First (most easy):
How would your first version look using an F-82 instead of a P-38?
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I really like your SP-82, Tophe. It has a grace to it that's entrancing.
Brian da Basher
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Classy cool 8)
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Thanks a lot for this bunch of great ideas! I will try to illustrate them...
First (most easy):
How would your first version look using an F-82 instead of a P-38?
I might be nuts enough to try to build that.....
What to use for the curved wings is the question.....
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Truly brilliant Tophe! :) :)
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Thanks!
What to use for the curved wings is the question.....
It seems, according to Google, there are models of "snecma coléoptère 1/72" by Mach and Planet. That could give 4 quarters-of-circle wings for 2 models (like P-82 AND P-51)...
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I wonder how 2 1/144 PBY planing hulls would fit on a 1/72 F-82.
Then I would add the other Allison to the rear of the engine nacelle, Savoia-style.
Here is the Acreelidated PBY82 Catalistang (thanks!):
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Thanks!
What to use for the curved wings is the question.....
It seems, according to Google, there are models of "snecma coléoptère 1/72" by Mach and Planet. That could give 4 quarters-of-circle wings for 2 models (like P-82 AND P-51)...
I'll have to look into that! thanks!
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I like it! I bet a couple of P80 fuselages would work well for that.
Ahem, P-80 Shooting Stars are not Mustang at all, while P-82 = P-51Z somehow. But a floatplane P-82 may have jets like a couple of P-80 (thanks!):
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I like it! I bet a couple of P80 fuselages would work well for that.
Ahem, P-80 Shooting Stars are not Mustang at all, while P-82 = P-51Z somehow. But a floatplane P-82 may have jets like a couple of P-80 (thanks!):
Tophe, you'll need some really, really big floats for a F-82 floatplane. The max T.O.W. for a F-82 is almost the same as a DC-3 (F-82 = 25,591 lbs, DC-3 = 25,199 lbs)and here's a pic of a DC-3 with floats (it was real world too with one still surviving today)
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Thanks for the idea. While... the words seem all wrong to me, even if English is not my mother language: ??? :(
Tophe, you'll need some really, really big floats for a F-82 floatplane. The max T.O.W. for a F-82 is almost the same as a DC-3 (F-82 = 25,591 lbs, DC-3 = 25,199 lbs)and here's a pic of a DC-3 with floats (it was real world too with one still surviving today)
No:
- I "will need" nothing because I am not an engineer, endangering the life of pilots, I am a dreamer, "could" should replace "will";
- "really really/real world" is not my focus at all, I prefer dreams;
- the weight of my P-82 is not above 25,000lbs but below 1lbs, this is not a huge machine, this is a little paper/screen-picture (or maybe a plastic toy someday).
Thanks anyway... ;)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C4_ci.jpg)
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What if you add inverted gull wings to the second version?
This has been a whole process: XKE-38, YKE-38, KE-38A (thanks!):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairQ_ee.jpg)
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Illustrating your ideas was pleasant, thanks again, while, uh... I feel I need to invent myself also. So here are 2 other P-38 seaplane derivatives:
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Add maybe Arado 196 floats to the bottom?
Uh? What is the relation between a P-38 and an Ar-196? Here it is!:
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No:
- I "will need" nothing because I am not an engineer, endangering the life of pilots, I am a dreamer, "could" should replace "will";
- "really really/real world" is not my focus at all, I prefer dreams;
- the weight of my P-82 is not above 25,000lbs but below 1lbs, this is not a huge machine, this is a little paper/screen-picture (or maybe a plastic toy someday).
Thanks anyway... ;)
;D ;D ;D
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Here is the Acreelidated PBY82 Catalistang (thanks!):
This Catalistang is different: Wuzakidated PBY83, from an idea on the other forum.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C4_ck.jpg)
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Tophe,
You misunderstood what i was saying. I meant merely an interpretation of what you had already done, like this:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3887/32872916595_b70914fba5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S5ShQ4)Slide1 (https://flic.kr/p/S5ShQ4) by cacree (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144515244@N05/), on Flickr
I was merely musing about the possibility of creating it in plastic. If you don't mind, I might make a better profile version when I find more time...
Chuck
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Ooooh, but those last two are niiiice! :-*
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Thanks!
Tophe,
You misunderstood what i was saying. I meant merely an interpretation of what you had already done, like this:
I am very glad this misunderstanding made us invent one more! Here is the corrected one:
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Thanks to AXOR's great Fairchild 91 at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7029.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7029.0)
here is a similar Twin-Mustang flying boat:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C4_cn.jpg)
Thanks!
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The same with Mustang 51B canopies/razorbacks:
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And on the P-38 side as well (thanks again AXOR!):
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And Sea-Twin-Lightning as well:
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You're doing a great job Cristoiphe :)
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Great stuff! Love those Fairchild 91-influenced variants :)
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/625/32922877136_f650b70428_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SahmmG)F2J-1 (https://flic.kr/p/SahmmG) by cacree (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144515244@N05/), on Flickr
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North American F2J-1 Sea Horse. :-*
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Yes, congratulations, Acree :-* :-*
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Is this a floatplane? or/and a flying boat with parasol wing?
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C4_ct.jpg)
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You hit on an exceptionally neat concept, Tophe!
A float plane P-51 seems like an idea with limitless potential.
Your imagination is simply off the charts, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks Brian!
And, thanks to AXOR's great thread http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7029.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7029.0) here are mixes of P-38 and Fairchild 91 flying boat:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairQ_eo.jpg)
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Is this a floatplane? or/and a flying boat with parasol wing?
a B version was also available:
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How about a P-82 mounted above a PBY Catalina hull?
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How about a P-82 mounted above a PBY Catalina hull?
My posts of Feb.11th and 13th were about that P-82 above Catalina/hull, what different could/should I do?
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OOPS! I should have looked another page farther back before posting!
However, what if the regular Catalina tail was retained and the P-82 fuselages were cut off just behind the wing? Or same style but use a P-38?
Now I have the urge to buy a Catalina kit!
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However, what if the regular Catalina tail was retained and the P-82 fuselages were cut off just behind the wing? Or same style but use a P-38?
I will draw these ideas, thanks! :)
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I love this one too!
The one with the Martin Mariner looking inverted gull wings.
http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,4461.msg758930.html#msg758930 (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,4461.msg758930.html#msg758930)
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Thanks!
And I love your idea, thanks again:
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That sure makes me wonder how hard it would be to build a Catalina with in line engines......
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The other idea was marvelous too, thanks!:
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or with even shorter "booms":
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A Lightning P-38, even truncated and turned seaplane must be a twin-something (not only twin-engine), so a Twin-Catalina low part seems a good idea... ;) ??? :-\
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Ooo, the Lightning with scale-o-rama Twin-Catalina floats is very nice :)
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The last two are especially nice.
Your work is very pleasing to the eye, mon ami!
Great stuff, Tophe!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
The Twin-Mustalina was more "logical":
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Years back, I already presented floaty P-38s and P-51s, but I will try to invent new ones... :-X ;)
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairQ_ea_zpswlvas5iv.jpg[/url])
totally amazing !
and do-able in plastic ! I might try someday ...
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These gorgeous scaleorama'd Catalightnings - :-* - give me an idea: Catalina hull (without tail or with the tail and rudder incorporated into the Lightning tailplane?) with Lightning cockpit incorporated into the hull. Wings and engines from a Lightning airframe (sans cockpit nacelle) mounted on the Catalina's pylon? Kinda like a fighter-sized Bv 138 Flying Clog.
EDIT: Just had a dig through the stash and found a 1/144 PBY and a 1/72 Lightning. The PBY hull looks a tad small. Should be much easier on the eye with either a 1/100-ish PBY to go with the 1/72 P-38 or - perish the thought :o - go Quarter Scale with a 1/72 PBY and a 1/48 Lightning.
Anybody know where to find a 1/100-ish Monogram Catalina or two? :P
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Thanks ericr!
And ChernayaAkula: I al working on your idea (if I understand it). Thanks also.
EDIT: I tried:
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Maybe I misunderstood partly, so I try again:
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Usually I prefer twin-boom but this five-boom one is sexy...:
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Usually I prefer twin-boom but
A twin-boom version was very possible too:
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And a twin-hull (symmetric, pusher) version:
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Here is the collection of ChA-38A to F (Lightalina and Twin-Lightalina):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairQ_fe.jpg)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairQ_ff.jpg)
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And on the Baikal Lake were Ekranoplan Lightnings too...:
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Of course there were Mustang Ekranoplanes too:
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:)
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And ChernayaAkula: I al working on your idea (if I understand it). Thanks also.
EDIT: I tried:
Very nice. :D
This first one (in post #59) is almost what I thought. :) I thought about mounting the Lightning without the cockpit nacelle on the Catalina's pylon (the thing connecting fuselage to wings) and fairing the Lightning's cockpit (just the canopy basically) on the Catalina's hull. I suppose the Catalina's vertical rudder would attach to the Lightning's horizontal rudder.
Love the Ekranoplan versions. :-*
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All of these are fantastic! Now I must buy all the Catalina, P-38 and F-82 kits I can find!!!!!
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Thanks a lot Kerick!
Chernaya Akula, is the drawing below closer to your dream? ;)
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YES! It's perfect! :-* Just what I imagined. Gonna have to build that one day! :)
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I think this latest one is the best but the Ekranoplanes are awesome too!
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Thanks!
And I have twinned the Mustang ekranoplane also:
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YES! It's perfect! :-* Just what I imagined. Gonna have to build that one day! :)
Thanks! While, this well explained ChA-38G is not necessarily the final one but a new source of derivatives ChA-38H and I - aka Z)...
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The same with Mustang 51B canopies/razorbacks:
With parasol wing, this one is a little different:
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Nice one!
If I could get the floats it would be buildable.
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I really like your P82-51C4 Tophe!
The parasol wing is a great choice too.
Nice stuff, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks a lot, both of you!
Now I may have invented something: middle wing floatplane without pylons and with nose propellers clear above water... ;)
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a jet-sea-Lightning:
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It's hard to choose one favorite,you have a lot of good ideas in this topic Christophe :)
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Thanks!
And the same idea on a Twin-Mustang gives this:
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:)
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There are going to be lots of kits missing their floats!
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Yup! Great stuff ... but your P82-51C4 is my current fav :-*
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Years back, I already presented floaty P-38s and P-51s, but I will try to invent new ones... :-X ;)
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairQ_ea_zpswlvas5iv.jpg[/url])
I did it in plastic !
(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y435/ericr63/hyd/p38h-s_zpsisgm7xto.jpg)
more there :
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5391.msg123900#msg123900 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5391.msg123900#msg123900)
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:)
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I did it in plastic !
Plastic is a matter like others, the important thing is that it exists now, scale 1 I am sure... no? ??? ;)