Author Topic: Acree's Profiles  (Read 102500 times)

Offline arc3371

  • Takes no responsibility should anyone try to turn the drawings into plastic...but we will still hold him accountable for the madness that ensues!!!
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2012, 09:49:14 AM »
Interesting ideas

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2012, 08:26:35 AM »
In 1937, the Air Development Committee of the Tripolitan government concluded talks with Ing. Mitrovich of Yugoslavia.  Under their agreement, Mitrovich would relocate his design studio to Tripolitania, where a major new factory was built.  Mitrovich brought with him the sole prototype of the M.M.S.3 twin-boom lightplane.  This became the first product of the new Barbary Aircraft Co., controlled by the Tripolitan Government and overseen by Ing. Mitrovich.  The original MMS-3 was ordered for use as an observation aircraft in support of the Tripolitan Army ground units.  One hundred were ordered, but only twenty were built before they were supplanted on the construction line by the MMS-3bis.  This aircraft was re-engined with the Italian Colombo S.63, to remedy the underpowered situation of the original MMS-3 with military equipment.  The Colombo engine was chosen because the Tripolitans did not want to rely on a British engine source (the original MMS-3 was powered by a British Pobjoy Niagara).  The MMS-3bis had about 30 percent more power with the Colombo engine.  The remaining 80 aircraft on the original order were completed as MMS-3bis, and included a flexible 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun in the rearmost seat, with an open position replacing the elegant windows of the original.  The change required the addition of strengthening struts on either side of the machine gun position (replacing the central structural member of the original).  Since most field units dispensed of the elegant spats on the mainwheels, these were also eliminated from the production line after the 33rd aircraft. 

Finally, in 1940, the Tripolitan Navy requested a new scout seaplane, and the Barbary design team under Mitrovich adapted the MMS-3bis with a central float mounted directly under the fuselage pod, and wingtip stabilizing floats.  40 were built and were used from shore bases and various warships.  The MMS-3bis Idro was not catapult capable.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 08:42:08 AM by Acree »

Offline Cliffy B

  • Ship Whiffer Extraordinaire...master of Beyond Visual Range Modelling
  • Its ZOTT!!!
    • My Artwork
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »
Man, talk about "odd" looking...I like!  8)
"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline Litvyak

  • Shifting between quantum realities...
  • Althistorian & profiler...& the 1st lady of whiff
    • Dominion of British Columbia
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2012, 08:44:27 AM »
Oh my. :-*
"God save our Queen and heaven bless the Maple Leaf forever!"

Dominion of BC - https://dominionofbc.miraheze.org/wiki/British_Columbia

"Bernard, this doesn't say anything!" "Why thank you, Prime Minister."

Offline arc3371

  • Takes no responsibility should anyone try to turn the drawings into plastic...but we will still hold him accountable for the madness that ensues!!!
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2012, 09:05:02 AM »
Love these unconventional designs!

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2012, 10:34:17 AM »
In case you haven't figured it out, the MMS-3 was a real aircraft.  Only one was built.  When i accidentally ran across the three-view of it, I knew I had to use it.  Too weird!  AND, I thought it lent itself to the float treatment, too.

Chuck

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2012, 02:13:54 PM »
 ??? :-\ :-*
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline finsrin

  • The Dr Frankenstein of the modelling world...when not hiding from SBA
  • Finds part glues it on, finds part glues it on....
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2012, 03:16:19 AM »
Delightful airplanes.
Thank you for filling us in on Tripolitan background as well as issues with the engines.  Very enlightening. 
When I went to school and in my library there is no mention of this.  But now I know.   ;)

Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2012, 03:38:18 AM »
I quite like the MMS-3!  :)

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2012, 02:14:19 PM »
Here is a Barbary Ba 101, circa 1940.  Backstory tomorrow... but in the meantime, see if you can recognize the bits and pieces of RW aircraft...

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #85 on: July 14, 2012, 02:40:10 AM »
Mmmmm....
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2012, 02:53:19 AM »
Love the Barbary but I'd hate to see what a hard landing would do to it!

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2012, 03:09:04 AM »
Ing. Mitrovich of Barbary Aircraft developed the Ba 101 as the Tripolitans' primary long-range patrol aircraft.  Seeking something with a greater weapon load but similar range compared to the Dornier Wal (which was produced in small numbers in Tripolitania as the Ba 100), Mitrovich, ever the "outside the box" thinker, chose to keep the planing hull and forward "fuselage" of the very seaworthy Wal, and mate it to the aft fueslage of the Dornier Do 23.  The profile of the Do 23 fuselage was slimmed down after elimination of the under-wing bomb-bay.  The efficient Junkers-patented "double-wing" of the Do 23 was retained, but slightly increased in span by adding to the center section.  A third BMW VI engine was mounted in the center position.  The two sections were connected via a new-design pylon, wide enough to accomodate crewmembers' transit.  The pilots' position was covered by an enclosed position copied (without license) from an RAF Short Singapore III that had force-landed in Tripoli in 1939 and was interned by the Tripolitans.  The Ba 101s served until retired in 1944. 

Offline Tophe

  • He sees things in double...
  • twin-boom & asymmetric fan
    • my models
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2012, 12:08:54 AM »
I love your MMS3 seaplane :-* Thanks.

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2012, 11:56:05 AM »
Newest editions:  no time for backstory... maybe tomorrow...

Chuck

Offline Litvyak

  • Shifting between quantum realities...
  • Althistorian & profiler...& the 1st lady of whiff
    • Dominion of British Columbia
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2012, 12:12:28 PM »
Love the Ba-152!!
"God save our Queen and heaven bless the Maple Leaf forever!"

Dominion of BC - https://dominionofbc.miraheze.org/wiki/British_Columbia

"Bernard, this doesn't say anything!" "Why thank you, Prime Minister."

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2012, 04:38:33 PM »
 :)
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline JP Vieira

  • The Challenge Master!!!
    • What-If World
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2012, 05:43:42 PM »
Very good

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2012, 08:14:34 AM »
Thanks!

If you liked the Ba 152, you'll probably like the Ba 252/253 series, too:


Offline Litvyak

  • Shifting between quantum realities...
  • Althistorian & profiler...& the 1st lady of whiff
    • Dominion of British Columbia
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2012, 08:42:55 AM »
Oh yes!
"God save our Queen and heaven bless the Maple Leaf forever!"

Dominion of BC - https://dominionofbc.miraheze.org/wiki/British_Columbia

"Bernard, this doesn't say anything!" "Why thank you, Prime Minister."

Offline Cliffy B

  • Ship Whiffer Extraordinaire...master of Beyond Visual Range Modelling
  • Its ZOTT!!!
    • My Artwork
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2012, 12:04:52 PM »
Keep 'em coming!  8)
"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2012, 02:37:38 PM »
More distant relaives of the He 51 (although you would be hard-pressed to see it)...


Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2012, 03:44:51 PM »
 :)
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline apophenia

  • Perversely enjoys removing backgrounds.
  • Patterns? What patterns?
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2012, 11:36:05 AM »
Love your Barbary stuff but that MMS-3bis Idro is truly inspired!  :)
Froglord: "... amphibious doom descends ... approach the alter and swear your allegiance to the swamp."

Offline Acree

  • That will teach you to frustrate the powers that be...won't it comrade?
  • Sentenced to time in the BTS Gulag...
Re: Acree's Profiles
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2012, 03:00:03 PM »
The ultimate development of the Barbary Ba 151 (and, in fact the ultimate development of the Heinkel He 51) was the Ba 551.  First flown in 1952, the Ba 551 was the first pure-jet fighter of the FTAF.  The more powerful and reliable Barbary BJE2291 engine was rated at 5200 pounds of thrust.  This improvement allowed the Barbary designers to delete the piston engine of the Ba 451, and design an all-new nose section mounting four 12.7 mm heavy machine guns and 2 20 mm cannon. Barbary engineers also developed a tricycle landing gear for the Ba 551, which resolved many porblems of the earlier Barbary "tail-dragger" jets.  The Ba 551 made a formidable fighter, almost equal to the US F-80 which was still in frontline service, with a 580 mph top speed and a heavy armament.